Linux in Government: Linux Desktop Reviews, Part 3 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux

Red Hat Linux Desktop is in a class of its own.
Other Interoperability Options

In addition to authentication in Microsoft networks, the RHEL desktop easily can browse and share folders with SMB/CIFS clients, such as Windows NT/2000/XP. Figure 5 illustrates a small workgroup as seen from the desktop's network browser window.

Figure 5. RHEL Network Browser Window

As a footnote, Linux desktops represent two of the desktops in this workgroup.

The RHEL desktop also provides support for the Windows Terminal Server and Citrix. In addition, you can run Win32 applications from an individual PC. For example, we installed several Windows applications during our pilot. Figure 6 shows us installing a Win32 application using CrossOver Office.

Figure 6. Installing a Windows Application

In Figure 7, we installed a popular Windows application using CrossOver Office.

Figure 7. Installed eFax Messenger for Windows on RHEL Desktop

Other Considerations

CIOs may want to begin rethinking their options when it comes to deploying desktops now and in the future. Although some say that Linux isn't ready for the desktop, you might discover that it's ready for your organization. You can maintain your current infrastructure and provide seamless integration. In the meantime, you can provide your users with outstanding applications, including productivity suites, groupware, Web browsers, graphics and multimedia. If you still need Windows in some areas, then use it where it's needed. Meanwhile, you can cut costs and provide a safer environment for your enterprise.

Tom Adelstein works as a Distinguished Analyst and open-source software consultant with Hiser+Adelstein, headquartered in New York City. He's the co-author of the book Exploring the JDS Linux Desktop and author of an upcoming book on Linux system administration, to be published by O'Reilly and Associates. Tom has been consulting and writing articles and books about Linux since early 1999.

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PNG correctness

Anonymous's picture

A little off-subject, but since the experience is fresh on my mind...

The Figure 1 image above has a size of apx. 196KB. I took the image and saved in as a JPEG with a compression quality level of 75 (best = 100) and got the size down to 11KB

So, your comparing a loss-les

Anonymous's picture

So, your comparing a loss-less format to a lossy format, and are "surprised" that the lossy format is smaller?

PNG losses no information at all, the image you get out is exactly the one you put in. It's kinda the point. PNG isn't meant to replace JPEG, it's meant to replace GIF.

It gets used in these situations, because JPEG does poorly with large blocks of colour and text, its meant to be used with photo and similar. Images will of course always look better in PNG.

The FOSS crowd has no problems with JPEG. just GIF ( patent stuff ).

Another reply to 'PNG correctness'

totedati's picture

I'm also manage to strip down PNG images from 290 KB, first image (8191f1.png), to aprox. 32 KB, but only using more careful PNG settins ( imho. from 'True color' to 16 paleted colors). No magic here :-). So is not PNG fault why image is so big ....

Sun's pricing is better than RH

10ksnooker's picture

I find nothing compelling about RH AS 4. I downloaded and setup a net server using their AS4 trial version, put up some blogs and a wiki for testing, and AS had several flaws and rough spots. It's response is also poor when compared to other distros -- not sure why this is.

IMHO -- A better bet is Gentoo. You can craft what you need and it is stable. My guess -- if someone is seriously deploying Linux, they have the expertise and really don't need RH support. Building minimum Gentoo systems makes for the smallest target. I know I don't recommend RH to my SMB clients -- the OS would cost more than the base box.

If you want RH AS4 on the cheap, download centos.

I am finding Sun's Solaris and JDS far cheaper and more compelling that RH. I am running several realworld tests to determine Solaris 10s place in my toolbax.

Just my 2 cents.

Sun's pricing is better than RH (sic)

tadelste's picture

You might consider reading the article. This wasn't even about RH AS. It's about the Red Hat desktop. We'll do an article about Sun's desktop in the next week or so.

stop expecting so much from us!

Anonymous's picture

You might consider reading the article.

Read the article? Read the article? How can you possibly expect us to do that? It's more than a paragraph long!

-> Shakes head and walks away.

Not a very professional comme

Finalzone's picture

Not a very professional comment especially for someone who does not want to be identified. Gentoo is not made to be used in entreprise environment. Should you try to install a non certified OS in a corporation environment, you will end up being fired.

You might try re-reading his

Anonymous's picture

You might try re-reading his comments. The subject matter is moot. He's doing a Gentoo commercial on pure reflex.

Well, this certification thing.

Taran's picture

By closing off the enterprise version, and making certifications for it - isn't Red Hat promoting a lock-in business model?

I'm not altogether pleased with that. But I suppose that they don't care. :-)

Closing off the enterprise version

Anonymous's picture

What RedHat is attempting to do is a very good thing IMO.
They are 'building up' the enterprise model, and all the necessary components to support such a model.

Third party developers need a 'standard' that they can rely on. Gentoo? Debian? Who's to say feature X will be present when every Sam and Sally roll their own OS? Many enterprise-class applications that run on top of Linux do NOT come with source code, so those vendors have to choose one or two distributions to release for.

VAR's and ISV's need a 'standard' that the hardware manufacturers will support. Sure, they can tinker with (insert favorite *nix here) and get it to work, but RedHat has a formal Hardware Certification process. Known, working, supported configurations.

Well, this certification thing. Reply

tadelste's picture

If Red Hat had a monopoly on Linux, that would make sense. But, for enterprises, they are catering to a maturity model. Large organizations need trained people, management tools and they are willing to pay for that.

Technically, that would be a closed model, but as others have stated - Red Hat still provides its source code and others have built and distributed they equivalent of the distribuion. The others don't bundle services and that's the difference.

This is an alternative business model in a cottage industry called open source Linux. It gives Linux a perspective for others to accept it.

I'm talking about the Red Hat certification.

Taran's picture

I don't know why people are thinking that I am talking about the source code. That would be completely stupid.

What I am talking about is Red Hat ***certification***.

Certification.

This could create a Human Resource Department requirement for Red Hat Certification if Red Hat is successful in becoming dominant in the Enterprise.

That's one hell of a business model, but it also creates a self-sustaining need to run Red Hat. It's brilliant business, but it may not be good for Linux in the long run.

RedHat Certification

Anonymous's picture

Before making such comment about RHCE, please understand the value of
RedHAt certification.

First of all

RHCE is not a multiple choice exam ( like MSCE, .. for example)
There are 2 labs.

1. Troubleshooting

2. Installation and Configuration

it is NOT easy.

RedHat made the certification for people with experience with the O/S , and need to prove that they know how to troubleshoot, install configure and manage it!

these people may be consultants, Sys Admin ..etc.

Closing off?

dmarti's picture

Closing off? All the source is available under GPL or another free software/open source license, even the source for software that originated at Red Hat and that they don't have to free. CentOS is a full rebuild from source, minus the Red Hat trademarked logos. It couldn't exist if any of the actual software were closed off.

Yes, closing off.

Taran's picture

While what you say is true about the source code, Don, I'm talking about the certifications and subsequent use of a specific distribution.

ALT Linux certification paths to Red Hat

Anonymous's picture

I agree that the Red Hat certification model seems to offer only another version of vendor lock in but do also very much appreciate the point that structure is needed for business to feel secure about Linux. Are you aware of the Linux Professional Institute certifications? They're getting really popular and offer generic 'version neutral' qualifications which both candidates and employers seem very happy with as it offers them alot of flexibility.

Real-world effect, though?

dmarti's picture

SCO and Netware had vendor-specific certification programs, and lost market share like market share was going out of style. Employers recognized that if you can get certified in one OS, you can pick up another on the job.

What about Novell's entry int

Anonymous's picture

What about Novell's entry into the market with Novell Linux Desktop?

http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/

What about Novell's entry int

tadelste's picture

I see a huge difference in the two products. Also, if you consider JDS in the same class as NLD you have a clearer picture.

Red Hat offers a bundled product offering even with the desktop. Call the bundle an enterprise offering in every sense of what an enterprise represents. The Novell Linux Desktop remains as a stand-alone distribution similar to Micosoft Windows. You buy the media and then you install it, then set up back office services, etc.

With Red Hat, a team defines the enterprise needs and delivers the whole bundle. The relationship of the media to the machine differs. Once Red Hat provides an enterprise scope, they tie the hardware profiles into their provisioning tools and from that point onward the deployment or conversion runs at about 1 desktop per minute.

So the preparation goes into the frontend with RH. Once the provisioning completes, the entire desktop infrastructure belongs to the administrator. This cuts down on time to deploy, administer and manage.

Novell appears to be heading in that direction. Sun wants to get there too, but their Management Console isn't close. Additionally, the SUSE 9 + Gnome combination Sun uses has mostly been targeted at SunRay thin clients which requires an infrastrcuture change. Red Hat can fit nicely into whatever infrastructure already exists. You still need a Novell Netware infrastructure to deploy NLD properly.

If you think of a Linux desktop in terms of a home computer rather than an enterprise platform, you'll never get what we're attempting to explain in this treatise.

Re: What about Novell's entry int

Anonymous's picture

Red Hat can fit nicely into whatever infrastructure already exists. You still need a Novell Netware infrastructure to deploy NLD properly.

I think that when you start working with Novell's Linux products, you will find that this is not correct. Novell's products can work in any environment, just like you claim for Rad Hat. Yes, it will work best in a Novell environment but, that is not a requirement. Furthermore, it is now entirely possible to have a "Novell environment" with no Netware at all, if you so choose.

What's more, I think that you will find that Novell's offerings actually scale much better than Red Hat's. Novell has ZenWorks(formerly Red Carpet plus much more) and its integration with eDirectory allows enterprise management that Red Hat has great difficulty matching, even in a "Red Hat" environment. The scalable management isn't restricted to Novell either, Novell's tools manage Red Hat's offerings just as well as their own.

Re: What about Novell's entry int

tadelste's picture

In this series, we have used the same criteria on each distribution. We developed the criteria from the Open Source Maturity Model and other enterprise tests gathered from research and real world experience.

We want our approach to provide an objetive model so that we can have a comparison matrix at the end. In the comments section people can say what they want about their favorite distributions. That doesn't take away from the enterprise readiness of a distribution.

That said, your comments appear biased: An opt-ed for Novell. You're entitled to that. Just know that the loss of objectivity takes away from the value. All one will ever get from such a comment is that this person has a Novell bias.

In answering the questions related to enterprise readiness, Novell requires "Novell Tools". Red Hat also requires Red Hat tools but not to the degree of having a Novell infrastructure.

Finally, regarding scalability, you used the term "Novel's offerings" scale better. That generalizes too much. Novell SUSE does not scale better than Red Hat - no way no how. That leaves the infrastructure piece. RHN outscales Novell there also.

I do like Novell and have great hopes for them. But, today they know that they have a long way to go before they are ready for the enterprise. Does that mean they don't fit in many markets - no. They fit in many markets and have a very good fit where they are relevant.

So they can make money and provide value in many mid-sized businesses.

Do a Competitive Landscape Analysis and a SWOT analysis and you will see the white space Novell has to fill.

One of my friends works in ap

Anonymous's picture

One of my friends works in application programming for a mutual funds company and their entire system is Novell (desktop, security, directory and web services, application deployment, system management, XML data authentication and verification, DB interface and transaction management, etc.) with Oracle backend DB's.

He gave me the full tour...more or less.

That system is beyond belief sweet...so user friendly, so easy to manage, and so incredibly powerful. No other grouping of software I have since seen [or imagined to that point] even comes close in terms of ease of deployment and use, and power/capability...and this was 8-10 months ago.

This RH thing is cool for RH and a few customers, but, IMO, Novell's solutions are in another league all by themselves.

Thats right! Try the Novell S

Anonymous's picture

Thats right! Try the Novell Solution and you will forget what is Red Hat. Managing Identity on Linux and Open standards is Novell's best technology - yeah they can even manage RedHat. Try and look it yourself, I have no vendor favorites, It happened Novell has the best technology so far - open source with Identity.

Vertical integration is inher

Anonymous's picture

Vertical integration is inherently smoother than cobbling together bits and pieces from disparate sources. Single-source products are also generally going to be more efficient, too. You could say the same about monopolies.

Efficiency, however, isn't always the point. The PC revolution was led by people who turned their energies away from the enterprise, and toward the personal. The rejected the culture of the computer, and produced a computer for a different culture.

We're all impressed by tall skyscrapers, but, the average person gets more satisfaction from building a small shack, or fixing their home, than from going to work in the well maintained glass tower.

Such is the ongoing story of techonological progress, its advocates, and its discontents.

One of my friends works in ap

tadelste's picture

I agree, they are in another league - but it's like the American Leaque and the National Leaque - in major league baseball.

It's an apples to oranges comparison but even the folks at Novell admit they have a way to go.

Everybody has long way to go.

Anonymous's picture

Everybody has long way to go.. but many independent analysts says Novell is among the leader driving Linux..so many briliant engineers there. Well they just have difficulties on marketing - anyway they now starting to notice again.

See the previous article.

dmarti's picture

Give credit where credit is due...

jonas larson's picture

Why the "my xxxx is longer then yours..."?

RedHat has brought linux to corporations that would never use a "non-supported" linux version.

So has SUSE/Novell.

They both offer good desktops that would work for almost all normal users. (key word = users)

In order to be a good Linux advocat one must have basic understaning of company needs.

/jonas

Give credit where credit is due...

tadelste's picture

The previous weeks article received criticism for being too favorable to Novell.

If you keep up with Novell's press releases they just announced a mid-level, SMB bundle which fits their sweet spot.

As Don Marti wrote above: read last week's article. It might help balance your perspective.

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