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kde too messy
On May 9th, 2008 tennisbob (not verified) says:
For me KDE is just to complicated and messy. There are too many options and programs to choose from. Every menu item like Internet or Graphics contains a list of around 30 different programs on just a default install. kprogram this and kprogram that and kprogram the other. Help the k's are killing me :-}.
I guess I'm just a simple person and only need so many options and programs. Gnome fits the bill for me. When I go to Internet or Graphics on a fresh install, I've only got a handful of programs and only need a handful of programs. I can then simply add the programs I want and not be overwhelmed with dozens and dozens of kprograms.
Just my 0.02$
Fluxbox All the Way
On April 26th, 2008 manpage (not verified) says:
I love Fluxbox. It's not a desktop manager, just a window manager. Someone mentioned tabbed windows. That's awesome, especially for apps like Evince that don't have tabs. Also it has customizable mouse clicks on desktop and keyboard shortcuts that are easy to configure.
Fluxbox has no useless junk like icons (although you can get an icon manager if you want), it loads really fast, and has some great themes.
The only thing it doesn't have is window shading on mouse scrolling. Once it gets this it will be perfect.
Gnome for the time being
On April 21st, 2008 Ron T. (not verified) says:
Gnome for the time being
I've recently moved to Gnome after I've been using K.D.E for 2 years (ever since I've used Linux). Gnome seems to be faster than K.D.E on my ~5 years PC (using ubuntu).
I liked K.D.E and especially the built-in photos viewers and video players into konqueror. However, it was slow and a little bit buggy and less compatible with compiz than Gnome.
I'm waiting to kde4 to be more mature in order to try it and then we'll see...
Discount those who have not made their choice after trying a few
On April 16th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
Although the question is about "preferred" desktop manager, it's not clear how many respondents vote after trying out a few of them before deciding a preferred one. Many distros pack a default desktop manager which may be contributing to their widespread use. The "used to" factor may lead to "preferred one" feeling.
KDE
On April 15th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
KDE has been my display manager of choice for about 6 years. let me list a few favorites and the gnome addicts can respond. Konqueror does multiple split screens (in the same window), makes FTP access to websites easy, allows you to change the browser identification and allows you to add service menus to your right-click context menus (nautilus does not seem to implement this as well). Amarok is an excellent music player. K3B burns CDs and DVDs easier and better than any other burning software I know.
several, actually
On April 13th, 2008 xtifr says:
I mostly use Fvwm at home and Gnome at work, but I occasionally switch to other systems as the mood strikes. I'm still not very fond of KDE, but it has it's attractions. Mostly I find it too cluttered and intrusive, but some parts are very well done. Fluxbox is excellent. Enlightenment has, despite a checkered past, turned into something pretty solid and reliable. I haven't really played with Xfce much, mostly because it reminds me of CDE, which is a nightmare I prefer to forget, but I can understand the attraction. Windowmaker seems to be a bit stagnant these days, but it's still a good system.
Still, the majority of what I do is either under Fvwm or Gnome. Since the poll forced me to pick one, I went with Fvwm, which I've been using longer, but I do use Gnome just about as often these days.
I prefer Gnome desktop environment..
On April 9th, 2008 Vasu (not verified) says:
Hi friends,
when my life with Linux started from that time I am using the Gnome desktop environment.It has very intresting and eye candy look and contains more features that we can use easily even for new user for linux environment.I some times used the KDE it is also very fine at look and working but some times it becomes hangs
and shows the bug error.But I never faced the problems when I used Gnome.Both are best but some improvements needed in KDE.I hope that in KDE 4 the problems ware rectified and more improved.
Thanks
I just like Gnome Desktop
On April 13th, 2008 sleggy_allen (not verified) says:
hi there!...i just started using ubuntu for about a month and a half...and i had fun configuring my pc...and the first time i installed it i was also interested with some other distributions like xubuntu and kubuntu...i tried installing xubuntu and it lasted for 5 days in my machine...i like the design of xfce but i had problems when it comes to customizing it...and i tried also kubuntu but it lasted for less than an hour in my machine...well i think the reason why i don't like kde it's becuase of the appearance...i don't really like the idea of navigating like WINDOWS style...well for me i like gnome over kde because i can customize it with no problem...
I started with KDE (and SuSE
On April 9th, 2008 nqs (not verified) says:
I started with KDE (and SuSE 7.3), found it was too similar to windows, then went xfce 3.x, which i like because it reminded me of CDE, but i developed an aversion to icons, and switched on a whim to fluxbox ( was on gentoo by this time), which I use with the console gaining favor as far as being most productive
Gnome...For the time being
On April 8th, 2008 Seth Paxton (not verified) says:
I have used GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, and Openbox. I prefer Gnome, but Xfce comes in at a close second. I plan on switching to KDE 4.1 once its available. I really enjoy KDE 4, but its not stable in its current state. I believe that once KDE 4 becomes more mature and stable, this pole might change drastically.
Gnome
On April 8th, 2008 Seth Paxton (not verified) says:
I have used GNOME, KDE, Xfce, Enlightenment, Fluxbox, and Openbox. I prefer Gnome, but Xfce comes in at a close second. I plan on switching to KDE 4.1 once its available. I really enjoy KDE 4, but its not stable in its current state. I believe that once KDE 4 becomes more mature and stable, this pole might change drastically.
KDE, but...
On April 8th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
The way "unclutter" keeps destroying carefully
laid-out multi-window configurations (and the
fact that it is hard-coded in the KDE source
code and is *not*configurable*) gets me so upset
from time to time that I run IceWM for a while...
Gnome for us
On April 8th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
We used to use KDE for our office implementation but changed to Gnome when we switched to using Ubuntu - why, its simpler than KDE and does everything we need. KDE was good for tinkering around but at work when you just need to get stuff done Gnome seems the smoother option.
Ubuntu and GNOME
On April 7th, 2008 WillyWonka says:
I've been running Ubuntu for a while now and I have another machine running KUbuntu on it and it just seems like my Ubuntu system is so much more customizable and stable. KDE may have a lot of programs and a certain look to it, but overall GNOME is, well nicer looking and much easier (for me) to use.
GNOME has made some really
On April 7th, 2008 sadsfae (not verified) says:
GNOME has made some really great improvements from 2.0.x -> 2.22+
I was a long-time KDE user during the 2.x era. I also used fluxbox, XFCE and Windowmaker. I abandoned GNOME in the 1.9.x -2.0.x series because it felt clunky and unusable for the amount of resources it used, it seems a lot better now; improvements in Nautilus and the overall UI have brought me back. Thanks GNOME team!
KDE, leaning towards XFCE
On April 6th, 2008 DrCR (not verified) says:
I'm still using KDE. In fact, I'm still using VectorLinux 5.1.1 (SW10.1). I guess it's simply because it does everything I need it to do, and I haven't really had time to play around with something newer. But I am starting to like XFCE more and more.
KDE vs. GNOME
On April 5th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
Well, I still go for KDE, at least functionality wise, everything is there. GNOME has a lot of eyecandy, but if you consider the applications made for Linux, KDE still outnumbers GNOME. What I would love though is a common graphical platform for linux, so that every application can run irregardless if you run GNOME or KDE, without pulling in the associated libraries needed to run one application in a different environment. This would greatly enhance linux as a choice of OS not just for techies and hobbyist, but for the general microsoft windows users as well.
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Oh ... the line "KDE is far
On April 5th, 2008 myke (not verified) says:
Oh ... the line "KDE is far superior to Brasero." should've said k3b is far superior to Brasero. My typo bad.
Oh ... the line "KDE is far
On April 5th, 2008 myke (not verified) says:
Oh ... the line "KDE is far superior to Brasero." should've said k3b is far superior to Brasero. My typo bad.
Gnome for Desktop, KDE for apps
On April 5th, 2008 myke (not verified) says:
Strictly speaking for the desktop environment, I prefer Gnome and did switch from KDE 3.5x this past year. KDE was more elegant in a way but I found it much much buggier, slower, more prone to crashes, and less hardware configurable. Particularly with respect to the volume manager. I'd have problems constantly under KDE with properly mounting or unmounting or both regarding most removable media (hard drives, etc.). Also half the time wouldn't recognize a simple audio CD.
I like the simplicity and most of all the reliability of Gnome. Since switching over to it, my drive all work as they're supposed to and I don't need to mount my scanner as root as I did in KDE.
So for desktop environment in general ... Gnome.
Apps/packages ... a totally different story. No matter how many apps they try to get to match the QT based ones, GTK apps are often inferior. Amarok crushes Banshee. KDE is far superior to Brasero. Etc. Etc. I even prefer kFTP grabber over the gtk version. kFlickr for flickr uploading. DigiKam for photo management. k9copy for dvd ripping. I mean, with GTK based apps, you can't even customize the toolbar buttons. That is simply archaic. The only GTK apps I tend to use are really simplistic ones such as the calculator, audio tag tool, and sound converter that don't need much customization. Oh .. and Kaffeine is much more elegant and refined than Totem by far.
Linux users and pundit need to start distinguishing between the desktop environment and also notice a clear break between the QT vs. GTK packages. THAT, to me, is where the real difference lies.
Gnome should stay focused on what it does best. Provide a stable, nice looking, easy to configure, peripheral supporting desktop environment. But ... they oughta also realize that QT based packages/applications themselves are most often more elegant and simply nicer to use. And nicer looking. Compare a toolbar on k3b v Brasero or Kaffeine vs Brasero. No comparison. The GTK ones look absolutely archaic ... horrible even ... compared to there QT cousins.
THAT's what I like Linux and the greater move toward interoperability. I can like one desktop environment while preferring another system based packages.
I used to be a KDE user when
On April 5th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
I used to be a KDE user when I had openSUSE v.9 / v.10.. on my computer. But in my univercity where I work, most of linux pcs had distros with GNOME on them. And that was my first time I'd tried GNOME. After that, when I went home, I'd uninstalled KDE snd I'd installed GNOME.
I think that is much more easy, more beautiful and better for compiling.
KDE
On April 4th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
I just seem to fight with GNOME much more. I have been an Ubuntu user for a year and a half. It took me a great deal of time to get the desk top configured the way I wanted. I recently switched to openSUSE with KDE and I am very impressed with it. In one evening I had the desktop looking the way I wanted and install multimedia support. This was mostly because there was less to do, SUSE came out of the box ready to use. I'm sticking with openSUSE and KDE.
KDE, but for how much longer?
On April 4th, 2008 Theosch (not verified) says:
I like KDE mainly because of Konqueror and its kio slaves. Now that KDE has ditched Konqueror as its standard file manager and started the so-far gruesome KDE 4, I may switch if things get too bad, especially as Konqueror will run under any other WM. I don't like Gnome because I can't seem to get rid of the double clicking.
Getting Rid of Double-Clicking in Gnome
On April 5th, 2008 mjrd (not verified) says:
On Fedora 8 using the menu: System / Preferences / File Management / Behavior - select the radio button 'Single click to open item'
KDE - Gnome too much like windozes
On April 4th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
I use both Gnome at work and KDE at home. It really depends who's
using it. If I have a basic user Gnome is good because most couldn't
figure out where things are configured mainly because the configuration
is buried using a syntax that most can't understand. I personally
prefer KDE because it doesn't hide the configuration. I usually use
the command line and vi and find most GUIs only allow simple configuration changes whereby the command line all options are available.
Where Gnome 'Buries' Configuration
On April 5th, 2008 mjrd (not verified) says:
On Fedora 8, most of the items you can configure are under the "System" menu item - which is divided in 2 sets of items under "Preferences" and "Administration". On my machine, I get 37 items to administer. In addition, under the "Applications" menu, there is "System Tools" which contains 12 administration tools. That is a lot of stuff right in the top menu - enabled by a simple GUI, not hidden by some obscure syntax ...
If that's not enough, you can install the "Gnome Control Center" which will put most of the tools in the same place.
KDE
On April 3rd, 2008 mingus (not verified) says:
I've used Gnome, both when I used Ubuntu and even after I went back to SuSE (which still is better than Ubuntu, esp with sysadmin). But every time I find myself wanting to do things that Gnome doesn't support, except perhaps by getting deep inside its guts. Gnome is great for the Ubuntu targeted first-time user, because of its simplicity. But if you want granular control of the desktop, the ability to bolt-on your own via dcop, the extraordinary power of Konqueror, etc., you have to go with KDE. I think it's noteworthy that KDE is more popular in Europe, where users have more history with Linux and are more hands-on proficient - broad generality, but true - than their U.S. counterparts.
I Prefer Gnome above KDE
On April 3rd, 2008 The Master of Disaster (not verified) says:
I Use Gnome since I use Ubuntu and I have never regret it for one second. If you want something completely different when you move away from Windows you should consider Gnome. The longer you use it the more you're going to appreciate it. I have used KDE before during the time I loved the ARCH Linux distribution but for me (and yes, taste is personal) Gnome is #1.
Gnome with KDE apps
On April 3rd, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
I was devoted to KDE and its apps until I switched to Mint and really gave Gnome a try. I could switch back and not worry -the quality of the distro seems more important. There are some KDE apps I really like, kate and amarok being most noticable. I have installed these and had no adverse affects and that seems the best of both for me. I want to try a 'lighter' environment on an old laptop though. (Don't you just love the choices...)
Fluxbox
On April 3rd, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
It does what needs to be done... what more is there to say....
Currently GNOME
On April 3rd, 2008 JustnTime (not verified) says:
Long ago I started with Slackware, no GUI. Now I run Slackware for personal use with CDE, SUSE 10.x with GNOME and CentOS 5 and GNOME.
I've tried enlightenment, Fluxbox, KDE, WindowMaker, AfterStep, and the list goes on. The thing is, this is exactly why I like Linux, no one compels you to use one method or WM over another. I'm not forced to work in a particular way like other proprietary OS vendors.
It's all about the WM not getting in your way and using a WM that suits your personal tastes, needs and workflow. This is why Linux simply rocks.
Fluxbox
On April 3rd, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
The fastes Windowmanager i have ever seen yet.
KDE 4.0 looks disgusting. So
On April 2nd, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
KDE 4.0 looks disgusting. So I choose Gnome.
KDE
On April 2nd, 2008 Rick (not verified) says:
I appreciate KDE for its richly functional applications and interface. I may not take advantage of many of the features of a KDE application when I first start using it, but they're there when I need them. An example is KOrganizer. I thought that the todo list implementation was overkill, but I was very glad that overkill was available when I was tracking all of the work needed to be done to sell my house and arrange a move across the country.
I used GNOME for years, but grew tired of seeing features that I'd come to depend on disappear as new releases came out. Yes, yes - I know there's the HIG. I firmly believe in hiding complexity when it's not needed, but eliminating features wholesale is going too far. There's also the disturbing frequency of crashes I see with GTK applications. That first led me to start using their KDE equivalents.
Gnome is my faverate
On April 1st, 2008 Neil (not verified) says:
It's clean and quick. And I write code in C.
K, G, or X
On April 1st, 2008 Arnold L. Johnson (not verified) says:
It's much like the MS thing when people haggle over KDE or Gnome. These two guys dominate the popular Linux desktop by default. Then XFCE is billed as the one to use to rescue PCs from the junk pile. XFCE is actually a pretty sweet desktop that does not get in your way yet has good looks. As a point and click kind of guy I prefer Xfce because it runs even faster on new hardware.
KDE
On April 1st, 2008 Kefka D'Arden (not verified) says:
I have been using KDE because I liked the way preferences was controlled so far. I'm am tempted to try Gnome 2.22 and see how things have changed as I haven't used Gnome for quite some time. I also used Enlightenment for a brief period, but found that it wouldn't add new applications to the menu, and was harder to configure.
I just like gnome
On April 1st, 2008 Bert Van de Poel (not verified) says:
started off in KDE on linux (mandriva) and didn't like it, then I found ubuntu and gnome, days of light followed.
I just love the look and feel of gnome, kde looks so odd with all the stuff squeezed on their bar and I also more like the gtk stuff and all the options and way of organizing, it just works better with my brain :P
Former KDE Fan trying Xfce
On March 31st, 2008 Mike Roberts says:
I've been using KDE for years and became comfortably numb with it. The numbness wore off when I installed KDE 7.10. The first thing was that my fav file manager Konqueror was no longer the default. No big deal, I expunged dolphin and all was well. After a month or so on two different computers(one desktop and one laptop) odd things began happening with KDE. On my desktop the taskbar disappeared and required some googling to get it back. It disappeared again without warning. On the laptop KDE will quit and take me back to the login prompt. The laptop doesn't reboot, KDE just quits. Both the desktop and laptop have been incredibly reliable prior to Kubuntu 7.10. Other common traits they share are nvidia graphics cards and the oddness so far is only happening with the "root" user account.
I'm trying Xfce because Shawn Powers and others said I should. So far so good. Xfce is typically recommended for low power PCs but my interest is more along the lines of reliability. Ask me again in a few months and I might have another story to tell.
__________________________Mike Roberts is a bewildered Linux Journal Reader Advisory Panelist.
You mean "Kubuntu 7.10", right? :-)
On April 1st, 2008 Sum Yung Gai (not verified) says:
You mentioned installing "KDE 7.10". Since the highest version of KDE is currently 4.0.2, I take it you mean Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon? :-)
I can't say I much care for Dolphin compared to Konqueror. The former doesn't let me use KIO slaves; the latter does, and I've gotten very accustomed to the KIO slaves, especially fish://. That one's really, really handy. It's as easy as NFS, but with encryption, and if you've got Kerberos set up, BOOM, it's as good as an NT or AD domain setup. Tres chic, indeed.
Here's an example of how user-friendly KIO slaves can be. I taught some (formerly Windows-using) folks recently how to use fish:// from Konqueror, saying, "it's just like Web browsing, but swap 'http://' with 'fish://'. Essentially, you're 'sshurfing' your network!" They got a good laugh out of that one, and guess what? They've not forgotten it, and they now use it regularly. Yes, this was a Windows-to-Linux conversion.
--SYG
Yep, I mean Kubuntu 7.10.
On April 3rd, 2008 Mike Roberts says:
Good catch, sorry about that. :-)
__________________________Mike Roberts is a bewildered Linux Journal Reader Advisory Panelist.
KDE for me, and for people I migrate from MS Windows
On March 31st, 2008 Sum Yung Gai (not verified) says:
I originally preferred GNOME. KDE 1.x, I didn't like. KDE 2.2 showed promise, but I still liked GNOME more back then.
But ever since KDE 3.0, I've found that I prefer that desktop to the GNOME 2.x desktop. It just "feels" more intuitive to me. That's probably because I came from a heavy MS Windows 95/NT background. Also, it just seems easier to tweak things (e. g. mime types, default apps) in KDE vs. GNOME. I've found that migrating MS Windows users is easier with, say, Kubuntu vs. Ubuntu, for those reasons. However, I've found that Mac users do find GNOME easier, so I'll use that desktop for that group of folks.
That said, I'm glad that GNOME came to exist, because it was directly responsible for Troll Tech freeing the Qt source code under the GPL. So, while it's not my preferred desktop anymore, I thank Miguel and Co. for starting the project and RMS for backing it publicly.
--SYG
Gnome, since Ubuntu
On March 31st, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
Well, recently, I've had a lot less time than before to tinker with my systems. This has meant that I use Ubuntu (replacing Gentoo), and their default WM.
I've thought of installing XFCE (Xubuntu), but... it takes time that I don't have. Used to run KUbuntu as well, but... default Ubuntu was more convenient for me.
Still, I manage to run my servers using Ubuntu Server and Xen, without GUI, so I haven't lost it entirely. ;)
Thanks for a great magazine, by the way!
/Magnus (Sweden), on Linux since 1997
KDE to GNOME
On March 31st, 2008 Pothi (not verified) says:
I've used KDE for nearly 3 years in opensuse. Recently, switched to GNOME in ubuntu and I'm happy it. I changed to GNOME mainly because of its simplicity.
Gnome desktop
On March 30th, 2008 jball (not verified) says:
Switched from KDE to Gnome two years ago. (UBUNTU) Enjoy both.
Xfce is for me
On March 30th, 2008 JC (not verified) says:
I use Xfce because it is more stable than any other I tried so far. Furthermore, every package I tried to install has worked allright on it.
For me, KDE seems to follow too much the m$ windows trend of a big impressive desktop, plenty of features (that u don't need actually). A bit of a mess.
I also tried Gnome, and also liked it, but wasn't as stable as xfce on my toshiba laptop, which perhaps has some particular configuration issues with debian distros.
--> So, Xfce by now.
Gnome is my vote
On March 30th, 2008 SkyBlue (not verified) says:
It's nice that we are all using an operating system that allows this type of choice for our desktop environment. Freedom to choose what works best for you is wonderful!
I started out using Gnome back in 1997 (or there abouts) with Red Hat. I later switched to Mandrake then SuSE and OpenSUSE (all using KDE at the time). I used KDE for quite a few years. In my opinion KDE always seemed cluttered and over bearing to me. I heavily customized it to try and unclutter it and make it more usable. I tinkered around with KDE settings more than I was getting useful productive work done.
I started using Gnome again when I switched to Ubuntu back when 6.06 LTS came out and currently use Ubuntu 7.10. I absolutely love Gnome. It has the right balance for me of attractive looks, customization and usability. It seems a lot more polished to me, less cluttered and instead of constantly tinkering around with the desktop environment, I'm actually getting some productive work done on my computer. For me, KDE just has too many customizable options and it's distracting.
At some point I'll probably try KDE again. I've already tried the KDE 4 live CD (OpenSUSE) and it just doesn't do anything for me right now. But who knows what the future will bring? I will say this, KDE is MUCH better than any of the desktop environments on proprietary systems. I would much rather use KDE or ANY of the other open source desktop environments than be forced to use a proprietary operating system.
XFCE
On March 29th, 2008 funkster1 (not verified) says:
It's not been for to long that I use unix-based systems. But as of now, I have migrated all of my internet, office graphics editing etc. needs over to GNU/linux.
I have tried quite some distros, from the classics (FC, SuSE, Debian, Ubuntu) over to some 'not so classic' ones.
Since I'm mainly interested in media creation, with a big focus on audio recording & production, I have also tried some of the specialised ones. I always found KDE nice, feature rich, very good to configure to my needs and then some, but unfortunately it has never ever been completely stable. Regular crashes of konqueror and other things.
Gnome does seem a bit more stable, and while I know that a quite a few extensions are available I always found it somewhat limited for user configuration.
Enlightenment seems to be a class WM, with an awful lot of features, top gui and then some. But it doesn't seem to be that stable yet. Also it can be intimidating for a new user at first to configure, as it follows some other ways/paradigms than Gnome/KDE.
So with XFCE I have found a very good compromise of speed vs feature set, it seems to be really stable and that's all it needs to make me happy.
Raphael ;)
XFCE
On March 28th, 2008 NonPermissive (not verified) says:
I switched from Gnome, which I had used previously simply because it was there, about 6 months ago. I had heard it was faster, and I enjoyed the functionality I got from it. I also wanted to try something "less mainstream," and Gnome always seemed a bit... I don't know, toyish. Recently I finished theming XFCE to the point where it looks simply amazing, and I'm in the market for a new window manager. I am installing Awesome as I post this. I've heard about that on the Ubuntu Forums "Post Your Desktop" thread, and I think it looks mighty fine.
GNOME...so far
On March 28th, 2008 Anonymous (not verified) says:
In a straight comparison between Ubuntu and Kubuntu, I prefer Ubuntu. I don't know exactly why, there's nothing bad about Kubuntu at all, I just gravitate back to Ubuntu more often than not. I like the GNOME desktop a lot and there's lots of stuff I can do with it that Windows can't handle. Let's face it, they're both way better than Windows! On the other hand, I have read in many places that Kubuntu is not a properly integrated KDE setup so I'm keeping my mind open on the whole KDE vs GNOME thing until I have tried out KDE on a different distro. I am thinking Open SUSE. I downloaded the 4.3Gb DVD iso today but at the end of all that the md5's didn't match up. Just my luck! Never mind, I will do it again...open SUSE looks too good to miss out on.