OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
Like any word processor, OpenOffice.org's Writer automatically adds
numbers and bullets to paragraphs for you. Unlike typical word processors,
however, Writer does not make lists a part of paragraph styles. Instead,
lists have styles of their own. These styles are called numbering
styles. It's a rather misleading term, though, because it refers to
both numbered and bulleted lists, but never mind.
By splitting lists and paragraphs, Writer gains several advantages. First,
the split removes many users' confusion regarding whether they are
configuring lists or paragraphs. Second, it is more economical, because
one list style can be applied to multiple paragraph styles instead of
defining the same format separately for each paragraph. Third, and most
important of all, separating list styles from paragraph styles gives
list options more room for custom settings without burying them
deep in the menus.
In addition, Writer's numbering styles are more dependable. Unlike
other word processors, Writer places bullets and numbers in fields, which
is why they display in a gray backgrounds in your document (select File
-> Page Preview to see how they'll look when you print). One of the uses
of fields is for variable information. So, by using fields for lists,
Writer makes its lists more or less immune to corruption. For example,
if you want to:
- interrupt list items with unnumbered lines or
styles - place one type of list between two items in another list (for example,
bullets between numbered items) - move a numbered item to another place in the
list
you usually can do so without problems. In fact, Writer encourages you to
do so by offering a custom tool bar for lists.
Accessible in several ways, Writer's numbering styles are both highly
convenient and highly customizable. Not only do they give you the tools
to create several types of lists, but you also can use the same tools
for a time-saving trick or two.
Using Automatics Lists
You can use automatic lists in several ways:
- Manual application: Select Format -> Numbering/Bullets from the menu
or the Numbering On/Off button in the Object tool bar. This method is
suitable mainly for short documents and default settings. If you use
an elaborate setup, you'll either have to recreate it or copy and
paste each time you use it. - Autocorrection: Type the first number or bullet and add contents. When
you press the Enter key for the next paragraph, Writer recognizes that you
are making a list. The number or bullet in the first paragraph is placed
in a field, and one is added to the next paragraph automatically. If
this feature does not work, check that Tools ->
AutoCorrect/AutoFormat -> Options -> Apply numbering - symbol: * is turned on. - Semi-automatic application: Create a numbering
style and then apply it to paragraphs as you choose. - Automatic application: Associate the numbering style with a paragraph
style on the paragraph style's Numbering tab. Whenever the paragraph
is used, it is numbered unless you turn off numbering with the numbering
tool bar. Give both the numbering and paragraph style the same name,
so that you can see at a glance that they're
associated.
For your own convenience, automatic application is recommended.
Types of Lists
Numbering styles support three different types of lists:
- Numbered Lists: lists in which the order matters, such as a recipe,
or the steps in a technical manual. - Bulleted Lists: lists in which the order is unimportant. For example,
in the list you're reading now, the order in which you read the list
items doesn't matter. You won't lose data or suffer grievous bodily harm
if you don't read them in order. - -Outline Numbering: an outlining method that uses a single paragraph
style. I call this method single-style outlining to differentiate it
from the type of outline numbering available in Tools -> Outline numbering,
which is something quite different.
In addition, you can use numbering lists for a couple of tricks that do
not directly involve lists.
Bulleted and numbered lists each have five numbering styles
pre-defined. For bullets, they're called List, while for ordered
lists they're called Numbering. These styles are useful as examples
and have corresponding paragraph styles pre-defined to which they can be
assigned. However, descriptive names, such as lower case letters in
blue, are much more convenient.
Each of the three types of lists has at least one tab in the numbering
styles window from which you can choose a pre-defined design. In addition,
bullets have the Graphics tab. If you want to customize styles, however,
your main concerns are the Position and the Options tabs. The Position
tab includes similar settings for all types of lists.
However, if you want to customize your lists, the Options tab is
the one that matters. Its available options change with the type of list
you're making.
Positioning Options for Lists
The Position tab contains options for how list items are positioned on a
line of text. The tab's options especially are important for single-style
outline numbering. However, all list types can use the options on the
Position tab:
- Indent: sets the space between the numbering field and the start of
the line. If the style uses outline numbering, select the Relative box
to set the indent in relation to the start of the line in the previous
level of the hierarchy. Based on HTML, many users automatically indent a
list from the text body paragraphs. However, habit seems to be the only reason
for this practice. There often is no reason why a top-level list should
have an indent. Sub-lists can be indented to show their relation to the
top level list, but even that is not always necessary. Often, the change
in numbering format is enough. - Spacing to text: the distance between the numbering field and the start
of the text. If this option is not used, then the starting position of
the text shifts when the number of digits in a numbered list changes
(for example, when changing to two digit numbers at 10). This setting
takes some fiddling to get right. Too little spacing looks cramped
but too much disassociates the bullets or numbers from the list
items. - Position -> Minimum space numbering ->
text: set a minimum distance
between the number and the start of the text in the first line. The other
lines in the paragraph either are aligned with the text or use the
setting in the Spacing to text field. If the option is used, the starting
position of the text shifts when the number of digits changes in the
list. - Numbering alignment: how the number or bullet is positioned in its
field. Although this option has some use in complex layouts, especially
when dealing with large numbers, for the most part you can leave it at
the default setting of Left and ignore it.
Making a Custom Numbered List
If you want to create a numbered list quickly, you can select the style
from the Numbering style tab. The pre-defined choices for numbered lists
often are all that you need. For anything out of the ordinary,
go directly to the Options tab and use these settings:
- Numbering: set the numbering format. Arabic numbers, upper and lower
case Roman numerals and letters are all available. - Before / After: sets the characters before and after the number. For
example, before the number you might want Chapter, while after the
number a simple period or parentheses might do. - Character style: the character style used for formatting numbers. In
a simple document, you can use the default Numbering symbol. However,
if you are using differently formatted numbered lists, you should create
a different character style for each format. - Start at: The number at which numbered lists should start. This is
also the number that a paragraph reverts to when you select the Restart
Numbering button on the List Mode tool bar.
Making a Bullet Style
You can select a pre-defined bullet from the Bullet tab. If you want
something more elaborate, you can select a bullet from the Graphics
tab. These bullets are the same ones found in Tools ->
Gallery -> Bullets. The bullets on the Graphics tab are most suitable
for on-line work, but I suggest you avoid using them. As a friend
remarked, the available choices are "so mid-Nineties" that they seem
quaint. Fortunately, more interesting tools are available on the
Options tab.
If you select Bullets in the Numbering field, you then can select the
character style to use and the particular character for the bullet. In
an ordinary font, you can select various characters for a
bullet. However, if you set the character style to a dingbat set--a font
in which characters are replaced by pictures--you can be even
more creative. Just remember that if you open the document on another
machine, it needs to have the same dingbat font to depict the bullets properly.
Incidentally, if your document might be opened in MS Word, change
the character style to one that MS Word can access. The
default Bullets character style uses StarSymbol to create bullets and
generally is not available to MS Word. Alternatively, you might want to
use the Adobe Type Manager in Windows to load StarSymbol.
You also can create a bullet style by selecting Graphics or Linked
Graphics in the Numbering field. Selecting Graphics embeds the graphic you
select in the document, while Linked Graphics references the separate
graphics file. Which one to select depends on circumstances, but
basically, you should select Graphics to keep the document self-contained
or Linked Graphics to control file size.
In both cases, the choice of graphic for a bullet deserves some
thought. In most cases, the graphic is going to display at a relatively
small size, so too complex a picture is out. Similarly, if the document
is printed in black and white, the contrasts of a colored graphic
probably are going to be lost. Usually, you'll want a simple graphic
with strong contrasts in colors.
In both cases, too, the options are the same. Once you select the
graphic, you can adjust its display width and height, selecting the Keep
Ratio box to keep the proportions the same. You also can use Alignment
to change how the graphic sits on the baseline. Be prepared for some
experimentation before you find the best way to display the graphic as a
bullet. Too large a graphic can distort the lines in the list item, while
too small a graphic may be invisible and therefore not worth using at all.
Making an Outline Numbering Style
To create an outline numbering style, select one of the pre-defined
formats on the Outline tab. If you only need three to five outline levels,
one of the pre-defined formats may be all you need. However, if you
need more, move directly to the Options tab. There, your choices
are the same as for a numbering style. The difference is that you can
make the choices for each outline level, selecting the one to work on
from the list on the left of the window. If you want, you also can set
the options in the Positioning tab separately for each outline level.
By default, each outline level starts at the number set in the Start
at field. However, if you want numbering to continue from level to level,
you can select All levels -> Consecutive numbering instead.
As an alternative to defining each outline level separately, select 1-10
as the level and define the style once. Then, associate it with a new
paragraph style, and use the Condition tab of the paragraph style to
format each outline level with an existing paragraph style, such as the
Headings 1-10. This alternative usually is much faster to do than formatting
each outline level separately.
Applying Lists
No matter how you apply numbering styles, as soon as you start a list,
Writer switches to list mode. List mode is marked by its own tool bar that
slides out from the blue arrow on the right of the Object tool bar. This
tool can get lost if you are placing a list in a table, which has its
own tool bar, but keep clicking on the blue arrow, and you'll get to it.
List mode's tool bar contains the functions you need for managing
lists. Many of the buttons on the tool bar are for single-style
outline numbering. These tools are similar to those for headings on the
Navigator, allowing you to change the level of the current paragraph
and reposition it. Frankly, though, they're not as well organized on the
tool bar. Moreover, outline numbering usually is easier to manage using
the Tab key to descend an outline level and Shift+Tab to ascend a level.
Interspersed with the outline numbering buttons are three basic buttons:
- Numbering On/Off (first button from left): turns numbering off
entirely. If you're using numbering styles attached to paragraph styles,
you don't need this button. Instead, change paragraph styles to one that
doesn't use numbering. - Insert Unnumbered Entry (fifth button from
left): turns numbering off for
the current paragraph only. The start of the current paragraph is aligned
with the text of other list items. This tool removes the necessity of
creating a paragraph style subordinate to a numbered paragraph style,
but without the numbering. - Restart numbering (second button from right): resets the current
paragraph to the start of the numbering sequence. Usually, the start is
one, but you can set the numbering style to start at any point on the
Options tab.
Armed with these buttons, you can wrangle any list that you care to
create.
Tricks with Numbering Lists
Outline numbering can be used for more than lists. A bullet style
with a graphic can be used as any sort of recurring graphic, such as
a Warning in technical documentation. The graphic can be placed beside
text or in a separate paragraph above it. However, if it's placed
in a separate paragraph, leave a space after it. Otherwise, Writer
detects the paragraph as blank and, unhelpfully, deletes the graphic.
Numbering styles also can be used as an alternative to autotext. Set the
Numbering on the Options tab to None, and enter up to fifty characters
of text in each of the Before and After fields. As with a recurring
graphic, you need to add a space each time you use the paragraph
style to which the autotext is assigned.
Conclusion
Occasionally, you may notice a momentary stumble in OpenOffice.org's
handling of lists. An especially common one seems to occur when changing
from one list style to another. However, these stumbles always correct
themselves after two or three presses of the return key. In the worst
cases, applying another style then reapplying the numbering style corrects
any problem. Far more frequently, the lists are trouble-free.
This robustness is one of Writer's main advantages over MS Word, whose
lists inevitably become hopelessly jumbled if you do any of these
tasks. In fact, the way to overcome these problems in MS Word is to
forget about automatic lists and manually place bullets and numbers in
fields. With OpenOffice.org Writer, however, you have the convenience
of automatic lists and the stability of fields automatically. If you're
a compulsive list-maker, like me, you'll be surprised at the time you
save because of this single difference.
Bruce Byfield was a manager at Stormix Technologies and Progeny
Linux Systems and a Contributing Editor at Maximum
Linux. Away from his
desktop, he listens to punk-folk music, raises parrots and runs long,
painful distances of his own free will. He currently is writing a book
on OpenOffice.org.
--
Bruce Byfield (nanday)










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Comments
Number is the worst Nightmare
Installed OO 3.0 hoping the style / numbering is finally ok.
So... modify Numbering 1 to get what I want (1 1.1 1.1.1 with no extra dot).
Then modify my custom paragraph style "Mystyle" to use "Numbering 1" for numbering.
Done. Not really intuitive but - after all - rather easy.
However: it doesn't work. After trying many things for 2 (two) hours, I'm desperately looking for a solution on the web forums.
My idea about the problem: I initially used a custom numbering in "mystyle" (that worked very well), then I wanted a level 3 and thought that it would be better to use the "Numbering 1" pre-defined numbering style. Did that but OO started to be confused seemingly.
I know OO is free etc... but as a professional 2 hours of time is a lot, just to get some numbering working. OO is *really* not intuitive, and is bugged. The mix of that is: when there is a problem one never know if it is a bug, or a mis-use of the non-intuitive interface. In my case it seems to be both.
Numbering has been a nightmare since day 1. OO guys, please, just erase numbering.c (or whatever it is called) and create a new one from scratch.
Its a complete mess
the OO numbering is such a mess Im close to installing Word again. This is a hopeless case!
So many years of computing, yet no decent writer app
Numbering is a nightmare. In 1991 I wrote my master using FrameMaker and numbering worked like a charm. In 2006 I am stuck with openoffice where numbering is impossibly hard. I'm going to have to go back to my favorite 1988 tool: latex. This is so frustrating. If I knew a $1000 would fix the problem forever, I would pay it right away: who do I write the cheque to?
OOo Off the Wall: Not even on the Same Page
I like OOo! But I still think back to the days of Venture Publisher. In comparison control of paragraph style numbering and insertion of numbering and style text into headers in OOo is disappointing, frustrating and seems so unbelievably inconsistent. One has to check various unrelated dialogue boxes to effect some sort of result; but predicting the result seems very unpredictable. (I feel the results are more akin to the results of the “Improbability Drive
numbering lists
I appreciate the effort of writing this paper. However, also given our enthusiasm for writer, I must say that numbering the title of chapter and paragraphs is a nightmare. I could not solve my problems even after reading the article. The only program I used that offered the result strightforward was lotus manuscript! This is 20 years ago. Even a printed book about OOO could not explain the mechanism to me. I really hope somebody is going to write a good tutorial on this.
Thanks
Open Office numbering is so b
Open Office numbering is so bloody ridiculous. The behaviour is so unpredictable. Why couldn't they have just followed MS Office outline numbering exactly. Most users are so used to that. Now they've mixed it up with the styles. Then there's a Tools->outline numbering, both of which can't do even the simplest outline numbering MS Word allowed me to do. Its stupid and ridiculous.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
OOo 1.1.2 is just rubbish when it comes to lists and outlines. It is worse than M$!!! It has been an extremely frustrating experience. After two months of trying to make decent looking outlines and lists I gave it up. Type everything manually!
So that's why it mixes up bullets and lists
This article goes some way towards explaining why my bullets spontaneously turn into numbers and why my numbering sometimes spontaneously starts at "7" instead of "1". Ah well - it will be fixed one day. (I've got a 200+ page master document with 31 sub-documents.)
Re: So that's why it mixes up bullets and lists
I don't know how you implemented bullets and numbers, but you could also be having problems if you haven't been using styles, or if your sub-documents have a different template than your master document.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
A really great article.. Thanks
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
My biggest issue with Writer's numbering/lists isn't really with the lists at all, but rather with the document wanting to change the font because of how i selected or deleted text. It usually manifests itself as a number in a different font than what I had been typing in. I guess the moral is to do the formatting after you write the document.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
Actually, you have a couple of choices:
- turn off all the automatic features
- use paragraph and character styles throughout
Either way, you should get the results you want.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
My problem with OOo numbering is that I haven't been able to consistently turn it off! I don't want/need any "help" with numbering lists. Unfortunately I've had problems turning it off (and keeping it turned off).
I would like a top level menu option telling OOo to leave the text alone.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
You've hit the mark, man.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
Try turning off all the features in Tools > AutoCorrect/Autoformat.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
I have to agree. I want to wean myself off of Word. However, three things keep stopping me -- bulleted/numbered lists, occasional Word incompatibilities, and embedded graphics.
While this aricle may clear up most of the first and part of the second reason, I, too, wish that Open/StarOffice would just leave it alone, by default.
Once this happens, I will help wean others off of Word, too.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
I guess that the popularity of WYSIWYG word processors is due, in no small measure, to the fact that anyone can produce a simple document with little or no training. It is only when trying to produce complicated documents that the limitations associated with such programs, and the contortions that their designers have to go into in their attempts to paliate them, become obvious.
Word and its siblings are OK for uncomplicated, amateurish documents. For something that allows one to obtain professional-looking, beautiful results, programs like TeX and its progeny (LaTeX, TeXmacs, LyX) are light years ahead.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
I agree with your comment, TeX is the utmost in terms of possibilities and professional quality. However I think it is fortunate that this kind of WYSIWYG word processors exists. Think of all the people whose specialty or expertise is not computer science but who need to produce reports, articles or whatever without worrying about the ins and outs and who don't have time to waste learning TeX or LateX programming. They just look for something "intuitive", easy to use and better than the prehistoric ribbon typewriter. OpenOffice is splendid for that and word in a certain extent.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
TeX is great, but it's an overstatement to claim that it is vastly ahead of other alternatives. Several publishers use OpenOffice.org for their work, so it can't be that far behind TeX.
I wonder how many people could look at a document done in TeX and another done in OpenOffice.org and tell what software was used to produce them?
OpenOffice is younger thatn Tex
Tex can do things OpenOffice cannot but Openoffice users a extendable XML the features could be added. If you used a feature that Tex only had I could pick it but else I could not.
Now merging the features of Latex into Openoffice would be a power boast.
Note it is also what you see is what you get. This has many extras. The source of Hotdog Html editor was a good merge of direct editing with What you see is what you get. This is Latex and most Tex based editors faults I have not found one that does a good job of this.
Now it is just a merge with openoffice to get good display with out lossing the extra functions(add a tex exporter/importor and extend the XML where needed).
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
Yes, there are a lot of badly designed documents out there.
However, the problem is not really the tools. The problem is that most users have no idea of the principles of good design. GUI programs give users more ways to go wrong, but put design-illliterates in front of Tex, and their results would be no better.
The truth is, both GUI programs and Tex require both learning and design knowledge to use well. Given both, the only reason to prefer one over the other is your own work habits.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
While I don't use TeX-based tools, the best WYSWYG document processor IMHO has always been Framemaker. It handled complex and large documents without any problems, especially section numbered headings. MS Word makes me tear my hair out everytime it autocorrects numbered headings and insists on overriding my paragraph numbering styles.
Unfortunately, when Adobe bought out Framemaker, the stability of the first-release Adobe-branded FrameMaker was poor, and it's been many years since I've touched it so I don't know if it's still around even.
Now if OOo manages to implement FrameMaker style numbering, I'll be a happy camper!
Outline numbering in Writer is just plain broken
All I want to do is having my headings outline numbered. That is, my doc should look like this:
1. Introduction
blah blah blah
2. First Real stuff
blah bla blah
2.1 Subsection
bla blah blah
2.2 Another Subsection
Setting this up is incredibly easy in Word. You simply edit the styles and you are done. It is incredibly easy in HTML. Here I am floundering around in Writer and I just can't figure it out. Why did you have to take a simple idea and make it so bloddy complicated?
I somehow figured out how to
I somehow figured out how to do the numbering you're looking for with heading1, heading2, and numbering. But now I'm in this mess where I can't insert a new heading 2 that uses the same numbering as the heading2 paragraphs around it. If I have 2; 2.1; 2.2; 3; ... and I want to insert a heading 2 before 2.1 I end up with 2; 1.1; 2.1; 2.2; 3; ... I ended up copying and pasting the 2.1 paragraph and erasing all but the number. There are multiple sets of numbered paragraphs and I have no idea how to get Writer to use just one.
I'm sure this is very powerful, but without better documentation it's frustrating.
I have been battling with
I have been battling with the same problem for over 18months...
I found something out try this:
insert new "default" paragraph eg
2.3
blah blah
my new default parargraph, with numbering turned OFF
2.4
Now select part of the new line, you will find an NEW option saying
Continue previous numbering, select this. You will see something like
2.3
blah blah
3 my new......
2.4
then using the "bullets and numbering" toolbar (view-->Toolbars) "push" in the numbering by clicking on -> arrow you should get
2.3
blah blah
2.3.1 my new.....
2.4
It sometimes works..... if your lucky but once numbering is there you won't get the contiue option!!! aRRRRRRRRR!!
What I'd like to see is an option like "restart numbering" BUT the
opersite "conitune numbering" which links to previous lat numbering reference which if its too deep you "just" <- back with the option in
the numbering tool bar button.
THIS whole numbering thing is really coursing me to rething OO, which
on the whole I like, but this numbering issues has caurse me to re-write more than one doc to just to fix numbering!! not fun on a 100page doc. Please Please someone that can please look into it
Two separate issues
There seems to be two separate issues here:
1) Bullets and numbering
2) Paragraph and heading numbering
What I have found is that if the item just before an "Outline Numbering" heading is a bulleted or numbered list, that heading will not become numbered when you do a Tools -> Outline Numbering.. action on your document.
To get the number to appear I found I had to:
Push enter at the end of the list, then backspace to remove that new list member, then enter twice to create two blank paragraphs straight after the list, then the delete key to pull the following heading onto the second blank paragraph (its heading style gets changed to that paragraph style), then re-style the heading to the appropriate level.
Once I did that the heading appeared with a magically assigned number, and OO reordered the rest of the numbering systems below that heading to match.
I suspect that its a bug.
I got the same problem with 2.0.3
I found exactly the same problem, even in 2.0.3.
The outline numbering for headings worked just fine when I first edited my document. When I came to edit it again today, any new headings started again at 1. So I have section 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 and then 1.1.
Thanks for the tip about copy+paste. It works for me.
Copy+Paste is not a real solution
I used to have exactly the same problem (seemingly random numbering). At first, I tried to fix the heading numbering by setting the "Start at" section in numbering properties, which unfortunately also changed some other headings. Then I found this article here that told me there are numbering styles.
So I found a real solution. This works under OO.o 2.4.0, probably others too. If your numbering is really gone wrong, do the following:
1. Format -> Styles and Formatting
2. In the Styles and Formatting window that just popped up, select the "List styles" icon. It is the fifth icon from the left
3. Right mouseclick in the listbox, select "New..."
4. Give it a good name, e.g "Chapter numbering".
5. Select the "Options tab".
6. In the "Level" list, select "1 - 10".
7. Select numbering styles, before and after characters, number of sublevels (it must be at least the number of your lowest heading, mine was 3 because I only used Heading 1, Heading 2 and Heading 3). Set "Start at" to 1.
8. CLick OK. New style created.
9. Make sure your headings have the Heading N styles, where N is the level of the heading.
20.Select the first heading you want to number. Then double-click on the name of the newly created list style. Heading will now have the number 1 in front of it.
21. Repeat step 20 for every heading. They will all "magically" get the numbers you always wanted them to have.
22. Each time you add a new numbered chapter or section you have to apply the list style to it.
You are welcome :)
Cranky Numbering
The key to getting numbering to work as expected is to define a new list style.
For example I have some headings in a document that I want outline numbered, I define a new list style 'foo' in the 'list styles' pane of the 'styles and formatting' window; I then assign the list syle 'foo' to the paragraph styles 'Heading 1' ... 'Heading 4'. That way if I change the style of some text to a 'Heading' style it will automatically continue numbering from the previous entry that has the same style.
If you have some headings that have got out-of-sync with the rest of the list just place the cursor on the same line and double click the heading style you created in the 'styles and formatting' window, they will automagically re-number themselves in line with the rest of the list in that style.
Voila. Sane numbering.
Not so wrong after all
The easy way is to assign paragraph styles Heading 1 and Heading 2 to your headings. Then, go to Tools -> Outline Numering and choose the kind of numbering you like for all your headings.
This article describe another approach to outlining documents (one-style outlining) but I feel it is more difficult.
By the way, Brunce, thanks a lot for your wonderful articles.
Re: OOo Off the Wall: It's Numbering, but Not as We Know It
FrameMaker is still around, but the rumor is that its features are going to be absorbed into In-Design.
I'd like to see OOo borrow Frame's approach, and allow a style to be defined to restart a numbering list, too.
Otherwise, OOo is really much closer to FrameMaker in functionality and logic than it is to MS Word. I'm starting to assemble notes for an article on the subject, and I'm surprised to reach this conclusion.
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