VLANs on Linux
To begin, we must have a more formal definition of what a LAN is. LAN
stands for local area network. Hubs and switches usually are thought of
as participating in a single LAN. Normally, if you connect two computers
to the same hub or switch, they are on the same LAN. Likewise, if you
connect two switches together, they are both on the same LAN.
A LAN includes all systems in the broadcast domain. That is,
all of the systems on a single LAN receive a broadcast sent by any
member of that LAN. By this definition, a LAN is bordered by routers or
other devices that operate at OSI Layer 3.
Now that we've defined a LAN, what is a VLAN? VLAN stands for virtual
LAN. A single VLAN-capable switch is able to participate in multiple
LANs at once.
This functionality alone has a variety of uses, but VLANs become far more
interesting when combined with trunking. A trunk is a single physical
connection that can carry multiple VLANs. Each frame that crosses the
trunk has a VLAN identifier attached to it, so it can be identified
and kept within the correct VLAN.
Trunks can be used between two switches, between a switch and a router or
between a switch and a computer that supports trunking. When connecting to
a router or computer, each VLAN appears as a separate virtual interface.
When using trunks, it is important to consider that all the VLANs carried
over the trunk share the same bandwidth. If the trunk is running over
a 100Mbps interface, for example, the combined bandwidth of all the VLANs crossing
that trunk is limited to 100Mbps.
Advantages of VLANs
VLANs provide a number of benefits to a network designer. The first
advantage is the number of devices required to implement a given
network topology can be reduced. Without VLANs, if your network design
requires ten machines divided into five different LANs, you would need
five different switches or hubs, and most of the ports would be wasted. With
VLANs, this work could be done with one device.
Most routers and standard computers can support a limited number of
physical network interfaces. Although dual and quad-port Ethernet adapters
are available, these are expensive. For example, a quad-port
Ethernet card may cost $400. VLAN capable switches start at around $500,
but they support many more interfaces.
Depending on the scenario, VLANs and trunks can provide an effective
way of segmenting a network without the expense and complexity of managing
many physical interfaces.
Types of Trunks
Several trunk encapsulations are available. Trunks can be carried
across a variety of interface types, but this article deals only with
Ethernet. The two main protocols for carrying VLANs over Ethernet are
ISL and 802.1q. ISL was created by Cisco prior to the standardization of
802.1q and is proprietary. 802.1q, on the other hand, is an open standard
and is widely supported. Hereafter, references to trunking mean
802.1q-over-Ethernet. As a side note, 802.1q is defined on only
100Mbps or higher Ethernet; it does not support 10Mbps.
How VLANs Work
Trunks using the 802.1q protocol work by adding a 4-byte VLAN identifier
to each frame. This is used on both ends to identify to which VLAN each
individual frame belongs. When a switch receives a tagged unicast frame,
it looks up the outgoing port using both the destination MAC address and
the VLAN identifier. When a broadcast frame is received, it is flooded out
to all active ports participating in that VLAN.
When a VLAN-aware router or computer receives a tagged frame, it examines
the tag to determine to which virtual interface the frame belongs. This
virtual interface can have an IP address and behaves basically the same
as a normal physical interface.
Some switches have the concept of a native VLAN on a trunk
connection. Packets sent out from the trunk port on this VLAN are untagged.
Likewise, untagged packets received on this port are associated with
this VLAN. Native VLANs on both ends of a trunk must
match. A native-VLAN mismatch on the two ends of the trunk causes
problems using the native VLAN configured on each end.
Security Considerations for VLANs and Trunks
For all the benefits of VLANs and trunking, some risks must
be weighed. As opposed to physical separation between network segments,
VLANs rely on the switch to do the right thing. It is possible that a
misconfiguration or a bug could cause the VLAN barriers to be broken.
Two risks are associated with VLANs. In the first, a packet leaks from one VLAN
to another, possibly revealing sensitive information. In the second, a specially
crafted packet is injected into another VLAN. Any attack that could
cause the VLAN barriers to break requires a machine directly
attached to the physical network. This means that only a local machine
can execute an attack against the switch.
When the switch is configured properly, the chances of these problems
happening are slim, but the possibility still exists. It is up to
you to examine your needs and your security policy to determine if VLANs
are right for you.
It is beyond the scope of this article to describe exactly how to configure
your switch securely, but most vendors provide documentation outlining
best practices. Briefly, you should configure at least the following:
- Disable trunking and trunk negotiation on all ports except those
absolutely necessary. - Enable MAC flood protection on all
ports. - Isolate the management VLAN from workstations
and servers.
Linux and VLANs
Linux has long been able to connect to VLAN trunks with a kernel patch,
and the functionality was integrated into the mainstream kernel in
2.4.14. Kernel 2.6 also supports VLAN trunking.
In order to use 802.1q trunking, simply set the CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q option
when configuring your kernel. Depending on what Ethernet card you have,
you may need to patch the driver to make VLANs work correctly. This
process is discussed in greater detail later in the article.
MTU Issues
As mentioned earlier, 802.1q works by tagging each frame with a 4-byte
VLAN identifier. However, some Ethernet drivers assume the maximum
frame size is 1,500 bytes. The addition of the 4-byte tag does not leave
as much room for data. Thus, although small packets are sent and received
correctly, large packets fail. The solution is either to drop the MTU
of the VLAN device or to correct the assumptions of the driver.
Patches are available on the Linux VLAN Web site for a variety
of cards (see Resources). Several drivers work correctly out of the box (or tar.gz,
as the case may be), including the e100 driver for Intel-based cards.
Linux Configuration
Configuring VLANs under Linux is a process similar to configuring regular
Ethernet interfaces. The main difference is you first must attach
each VLAN to a physical device. This is accomplished with the vconfig
utility. If the trunk device itself is configured, it is treated as
native. For example, these commands define VLANs 2-4 on device eth0:
vconfig add eth0 2 vconfig add eth0 3 vconfig add eth0 4
The vconfig program can set a variety of other options, including
device-naming conventions. Hereafter, these are assumed to be at their defaults.
Once the virtual interfaces are defined, they can be used in the same
way as other interfaces. The standard utilities, such as ifconfig and
route, all accept VLAN interfaces and behave as expected. For example,
all VLAN interfaces can be listed with ifconfig
-a.
Depending on your distribution, support may be available for automatically
configuring VLANs on startup. Debian 3.0 or greater supports this
support, but Red Hat and Fedora currently do not. For other distributions,
you simply need to write a script that executes vconfig prior to the main
network startup scripts.
Switch Configuration
Because the configuration interfaces for different brands of switches
all are different, the focus of this section is the common Cisco
2924. All switch configurations are from this model but should work
with little change on other IOS-based switches. A variety of
configuration commands are related to trunking, but only the most basic are
covered here. The samples also assume the ports all have a default
configuration. Specifically, this means all ports are configured
as access ports in VLAN 1.
This article focuses on the Linux side of the configuration, so only
a basic explanation of the switch commands are given. Listing 1 is a
configuration fragment that could be entered into a Cisco Catalyst 2924
switch. See Resources for URLs to complete documentation
of these commands.
Listing 1. Configuring a Cisco Catalyst 2924 Switch
interface FastEthernet 0/1 switchport mode trunk switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk native vlan 1 interface FastEthernet 0/2 switchport access vlan 2
The commands here are fairly self explanatory if you are familiar with the
VLAN terminology presented earlier. Briefly, the first section converts
the first port into a trunk running 802.1q encapsulation with native
VLAN 1. The second section simply moves port 2 into VLAN 2.
It is important to see how VLANs are configured and operating on the
switch. The first task is to see the status of a particular port. This
can be done with show interfaces <interface>
switchport command.
Listing 2. show interfaces <interface>
switchport
#show interfaces FastEthernet 0/1 switchport Name: Fa0/1 Switchport: Enabled Administrative mode: trunk Operational Mode: trunk Administrative Trunking Encapsulation: dot1q Operational Trunking Encapsulation: dot1q Negotiation of Trunking: Disabled Access Mode VLAN: 0 ((Inactive)) Trunking Native Mode VLAN: 1 (VLAN0001) Trunking VLANs Enabled: ALL Trunking VLANs Active: 1-5 Pruning VLANs Enabled: 6-1001 ...
Probably the most useful command is the show vlan command. It shows
you a table indicating which ports are in which VLANs.
Example
The best way to see how VLANs work is by example. Imagine you work
for Widgets, Inc. There are about 20 people from several departments
working at your location. Ten people work in engineering,
two people are in accounting, five people in sales and three people in marketing.
Widgets, Inc. currently has a flat network, one in which all the machines
are on the same LAN. All of these machines are connected to a Cisco 2924
switch and reside in the 10.0.0.0/24 private network.
Figure 1. Widgets, Inc.'s Private Network
To improve security, you have convinced management to let you segment the
network. You already have a Linux firewall running Debian 3.0 facing the
Internet, but now you need to extend it to segment the network. The first
snag is you have been given only a minimal budget for the project.
After some consideration, you have decided to separate the inside network
into four segments: Management, Sales & Marketing, Accounting and Engineering
and a DMZ for your assorted servers. The management VLAN has no
workstations associated with it and is used only for the switch's
configuration interface.
Figure 2. The Segmented Network
Your existing firewall cannot accommodate three more physical
interfaces. You recently read an interesting article about
how to use VLANs with Linux, which gives you an idea. With VLANs, the
new topology can be implemented with the existing interfaces. In fact,
the physical layout of your network doesn't change at all. Using VLANs
adds a management network to the mix, bringing the total to five.
Figure 3. The Segmented Network with VLANs
You also have decided to subnet your existing IP addresses for the new
segments. Using a subnet mask of 255.255.255.224 gives you plenty of IPs
for each segment and leaves you several spare subnets to use later. You
already are using DHCP to assign IP addresses, so client reconfiguration
is not an issue.
Listing 3. Assigning IP Addresses
Description VLAN IP Subnet Management 1 10.0.0.0/27 DMZ 2 10.0.0.32/27 Accounting 3 10.0.0.64/27 Engineering 4 10.0.0.96/27 Sales & Marketing 5 10.0.0.128/27
Preparation
Because the network changes here can cause a loss of connectivity, it
is important to have everything prepared beforehand. Ensure that your
firewall meets the prerequisites above. It also is recommended that you
have a serial console connection available before you begin. Obviously,
these kinds of changes should be done after business hours.
Preparation is the most important part of a network project. In this case,
it is important to have everything planned out well in advance. You should
have planned out your firewall policy, server configuration,
DNS update and so on. Think about all the functions required for the daily
operation of your network, and consider how the changes described here
might effect them. For example, reducing the DHCP lease time several
days in advance allows the workstations to retrieve their new leases
more quickly.
Firewall Configuration
The first step towards the new network configuration is to establish the
trunk between the firewall and the switch. On Debian, the vlan package
contains the required utilities. Most other distributions also offer
a package containing these utilities. Compile and install your kernel
as you normally would, and enable 802.1q support
(CONFIG_VLAN_8021Q).
The Debian interfaces file, located in /etc/network/interfaces, provides
support for creating VLAN interfaces. Each interface is defined as normal,
with the addition of a vlan_native_interface line. If your distribution
does not support defining VLAN interfaces, you need to have a
script define them before network startup. Listing 4 shows a Debian
interfaces file, using DHCP to retrieve the IP for the outside interface.
Listing 4. A Debian Interfaces File
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0 eth1 vlan2 vlan3 vlan4 vlan5
iface eth0 inet dhcp
# VLAN 1 - native management VLAN
iface eth1 inet static
address 10.0.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 2 - DMZ
iface vlan2 inet static
address 10.0.0.33
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 3 - Accounting
iface vlan3 inet static
address 10.0.0.65
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 2 - DMZ
iface vlan2 inet static
address 10.0.0.33
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 3 - Accounting
iface vlan3 inet static
address 10.0.0.65
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 4 - Engineering
iface vlan4 inet static
address 10.0.0.97
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
# VLAN 5 - Sales & Marketing
iface vlan5 inet static
address 10.0.0.129
netmask 255.255.255.224
vlan_raw_device eth1
If you were using a distribution other than Debian, you could put
lines similar to the ones in Listing 5 in a startup script that runs before
network configuration.
Listing 5. Startup Script for Non-Debian Distributions
vconfig add eth1 2 vconfig add eth1 3 vconfig add eth1 4 vconfig add eth1 5
Once the new interfaces are defined, you can bring them up using
ifup <device name>. You also need to ifdown and ifup eth1
to set the correct IP and netmask.
Switch Configuration
Before you begin configuration, make sure the IP address of the switch
falls within the new management subnet. The IP configuration is
associated with a virtual interface. This is normally VLAN1.
Listing 6. IP Address for VLAN1
interface VLAN1 ip address 10.0.0.2 255.255.255.224
The firewall is connected to port 1 on the switch, which is referred
to as FastEthernet 0/1 in IOS notation. The first task is to set the
encapsulation and native VLAN, then you can enable the trunk.
Listing 7. Enabling the Trunk
interface FastEthernet 0/1 switchport trunk encapsulation dot1q switchport trunk native vlan 1 switchport mode trunk
Once the trunk is active, you need to move ports from the default
VLAN into their new one. This is done by entering the interface
configuration and issuing switchport access vlan <vlan
id>. Although not necessary, it is helpful to physically group VLANs
to make them easier to manage.
Listing 8. Moving the Ports
interface FastEthernet0/2 switchport access vlan 2 interface FastEthernet0/3 switchport access vlan 2 interface FastEthernet0/4 switchport access vlan 3 interface FastEthernet0/5 switchport access vlan 3 interface FastEthernet0/2 switchport access vlan 3
Once your changes are complete, you can see which ports are in which
VLAN by using the show vlan command.
Finishing Up
The first order of business is to test whether you can move
packets of all sizes successfully without MTU issues. Packets above 1,476 bytes should
trigger any MTU issue you have. This can be tested by pinging from
the firewall to a machine on a non-native VLAN. If small packets work
but large packets do not, you most likely have an MTU issue.
Because you are using DHCP, you now need to update your dhcpd.conf file
to reflect the new subnets. Once it is restarted, client machines start
to receive their new IP addresses.
Without a policy, a firewall is useless. Unfortunately, defining that
policy is beyond the scope of this article. However, a variety
of effective tools are freely available for this purpose.
Now that everything is working, we need to make sure the switch's new
configuration is written to memory. This is done from enable mode using
the write memory command.
Conclusion
As you can see, VLAN trunking can be a valuable tool. I hope you
have learned where it can be useful, the risks and benefits of using
it and the basics of its configuration. Even though this document
focuses on a Cisco 2924 switch, it shouldn't be difficult to translate
the configuration here to any switch that supports 802.1q trunks.
I would like to give special thanks to Cheryl Lehman for helping to make
my first article readable and to Randall Shutt for reviewing the content.
Resources
802.1Q VLAN
implementation for Linux
Using
the Command-line Interface for Catalyst 2900XL Switches
Cisco
Catalyst 2900XL IOS Command References
Paul Frieden has been working with Linux for eight years.
He currently works for Parkland College as a Network Specialist.
If you have further questions, you can reach him at
paul@frieden.us.










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Comments
how to setup and configure vlan(what are minimal requirements)
Thanks for sharing about vlan. I have been trying to configure VLANs on my pc(linux),but i am not able to do that.
First thing i want to know is, how to configure the vlan on the pc alone(not on switch).My linux pc works with kernel built-in 802.1q driver and rtl8139 nic card. Does the nic driver(8139too) should also support the vlan ?
second, after configuring(two vlans eth0.2,eth0.3) how to send packets specifically via eth0.2 alone, and the same with receiving side.
Thanks.
how to get VLAN name
This article is very helpful.
I am already using VLAN configuration for my requirement and below are my querries.
I am creating one VLAN for eth0 as below
vconfig add eth0 x(some vlan id)
i am maintaining LAN and VLAN with same IP.
ifconfig eth0.x netmask broadcast up
ifconfig eth0 netmask 0 broadcast 0 up
Now i have to use LAN name and get the VLAN name.
I have to write an API like, pass LAN name and get correspondiong VLAN.
Please share ur ideas.
Vlans on Catalysts
Hi guys...
I just have a quick question to ask and i d appreciate if u answer me on my mail
Well,me and my class we ve been working on Vlans, on Switches, Catalysts 2900
the thing is when I configure Vlan from Vlan database, and go to the interface I press the commnada MAnagement, cause other wise with Show vlan command it will show that vlan in the table, but when I do show ip int vlan (name) it sais that the protocol down. And our teacher said that with Management command can make that Vlan operational.
The thing is, that when I configure more that 1 vlan in the switches it can be up and operational only 1 vlan, only the one i press the command Management into the interface.
Without that command the vlans don't work...and with that command only 1 can be operational.
Well if u can help me i ll appreciate...
thank u for ur time...
vLANs on Linux
Hi all,
I have been trying to configure vLANs on my Linux, but I couldn't. This is what I did:
PC 1
ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 up
vconfig add eth1 2
vconfig add eth1 3
ifconfig eth1.2 10.0.0.32 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
ifconfig eth1.3 10.0.0.33 netmask 255.255.255.0 up
Then, I connect this eth1 to another interface on another machine (eth1 on 10.0.0.1).
PC 2
ifconfig eth1 10.0.0.1
What I want to do with this configuration is that every frame sent to eth1.2 is tagged with VID = 2 and eth1.3 with VID = 3.
But with Ethereal running on PC 2. I have not seen anything. Besides I have seen frames sent by eth1.2 and eth1.3 with Ethereal in PC 1, but these frames are not tagged.
Can anyone tell me if I am missing something?
Thanks!
a non subjected comment
I was looking for something useful about vlans,
a few days ago, I was heared something about vlan and I just had to inject this to my local lan network,
article is very useful and so much helpfull (at least for me)
after all I bought my cisco catalyst 2900xl and wanted to configure it with vlans but actually don't know what,
thanks in advance for autor of this article, and maybe I will see something about vlans, so if someone has some info about vlan, plese mail it to me
.dominik
802.1q trunking vs. sub-IPs
What is the advantage and disadvantage by doing VLAN trunking on a single physical NIC vs. assigning sub-IPs to the NIC? I was wondering if we really gain the security & traffic segmentation features of a real VLAN. If we simulate VLAN trunking by sharing a physical NIC, on what level does the OS actually separate the traffic? Or, they are still mixed and make it as if they were VLANs?
>What is the advantage and
>What is the advantage and disadvantage by doing VLAN trunking on a >single physical NIC vs. assigning sub-IPs to the NIC?
if you assign several sub-IPs to the NIC connected on a "non 802.11q" switch than all switch's ports are the same and there is only one broadcast domain.
great article
Thanks for this :)
figures in this article
I cannot view the figures in this article,it would be useful to view them.Has anyone got them
This article exactly hit the
This article exactly hit the nail on the head! I was to able create a "layer 3 switch" with an unused PC running Linux and an old 3Com superstack 3300 switch for our test lab. Suprisingly fast, it's clearly faster than what I suspected (although certainly not as fast a real L3 switch)
Thanks a million! It really got me going!
vlan switch connect to linux gateway
dear
I did configure the switch to use vlan's and I did connect that switch to linux gateway machine.
must I configure vlan under the linux machine also OR just on the switch ?
pleas replay i need help
greeting
Re: VLANs on Linux - basic switch vlan aware
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Re: VLANs on Linux
How to organize domain server by help of Linux Vlan router.
For instance I have VLAN: 2,3,4,5 and I want the traffic from them to be routed in vlan 10 (server's VLAN) but 2,3,4,5 must don't touch. Help!
Re: VLANs on Linux and Trunk
Hi,
Since a switch can have trunk ports that sees traffic from all VLANs is it possible to configure the interface in Linux to see traffic from all VLANs .. kinda like a trunk interface?
Thanks
Re: VLANs on Linux and Trunk
Yes It is possible. you will need to enable in the 802.1Q option in the kernel, recompile, and install the vlan package to get the vconfig utility which enables you to add vlan interfaces.
VLANs on linux
Yes,I enabled in the 802.1Q option in the kernel, recompiled, and installed the vlan package to get the vconfig utility which enables to add vlan interfaces.
I have one question ,
can I get vlan id through snmp commands ?
If yes,what are neccessary to be installed .
And what is the command.
Pls mail me the solution
With Rgds
Anwar
VLANs on Linux
Having no previous knowledge about vlans or switch configuration and being suddenly tasked with setting up multiple vlans on a switch configured from a single ethernet connection on a debian system, I found this article invaluable. Thanks.
Re: VLANs on Linux
If we create VLAN interface
vconfig add eth1 2
and not give it IP address, is it possible to create script which would manage network traffic for VLAN2.
For example, would this command work:
iptables -A FORWARD -i vlan2 -j DROP
Thanks
Outstanding issues with VLANs on Linux
Linux does not support VLANs over anything but physical ethernet cards. No aggregate links or the bridge device, either of which would be a huge win for building fault tolerant routers.
Hardware VLAN tagging / untagging was not supported last time I checked (huge difference on GbE or 10GbE)
iptables hasn't figured out quite how to deal with VLANs (although last I heard there was a module in the works)
Outstanding issues with VLANs on Linux
What about GVRP? Does the linux vlan implementation include support for GVRP?
Re: Outstanding issues with VLANs on Linux
use cisco
Re: VLANs on Linux - Still Cloudy
Still a little cloudy if this is necessary all the time when using all Linux workstations on a network. For instance, you have two switches linked together to share various VLANS (i.e. VLAN 1 and VLAN 2 have ports on both switches) and you have 2 physical LANs with different network addresses. Physical LAN 1 is part of VLAN 1 and physical LAN 2 is part of VLAN 2. Both physical lans are connected to a router (Linux box with 2 Ethernet cards) via the switches. With this setup isn't all this transparent to the the Linux workstations? If you want to talk to the other VLAN or physical network it would go to the router. In this scenario you would not need to do all the configuration mentioned in the article? The reason I ask is that we need to mix and match fiber and copper. The above scenario would enable us share the switches between the physical LANs. We would not be required to use two switches for each LAN (one copper one fiber). Also, it would still maintain separate broadcast domains for the physical LANs. Am I way off base?
Re: VLANs on Linux
I had 3c905C card on my RH9 Linux box. I made 2 VLAN and http traffic stopped. Before this everything worked fine. I tried to change cards and so on. I fixed it only when removed the 3c905 card and installed DFE-538TX card. It seemed 3c905 driver has some bugs. I guess it is a bug of assigning or management MTU.
Red Hat/Fedora VLAN support
The article states that Red Hat/Fedora does not support VLAN setup on
boot. This is incorrect.
VLAN support has been in Red Hat Linux since version 9 and is included
in Fedora.
Documentation on configuring is available in the file sysconfig.txt which
is included in the initscripts RPM (ie less `rpm -ql initscripts|grep sysconfig.txt` )
Re: Red Hat/Fedora VLAN support
Thank you for noticing this. I had looked for RedHat support but hadn't found it until you pointed it out.
For those of you using RedHat or Fedora, I'm including the configuration for the VLAN2 interface in the example. This would be place in the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1.2 file.
DEVICE=eth1.2 # eth1 is the interface and .2 is the VLAN id
IPADDR=10.0.0.33
NETMASK=255.255.255.224
VLAN=yes
ONBOOT=yes
BOOTPROTO=none
The RedHat scripts always configure VLAN interfaces using the device and the VLAN ID without padding, which differs from the article. The interface created above would be eth1.2 rather than vlan2.
Paul Frieden
Re: Red Hat/Fedora VLAN support
actually, on fedora/RHEL3/RH9 , add to /etc/sysconfig/network
VLAN=yes
having the ETH driver patched to support 1504 mtu's the normal eth's had to have their mtu capped to 1500... to do that, add to the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX MTU=1500 and to the ifcfg-ethX.X MTU=1504
my to cents
Re: Red Hat/Fedora VLAN support
does this also work in fedora core 2?
jason
Article lacks important details
Namely, details of using iptables with the defined vlan interfaces. Can you treat them as physical interfaces with iptables? Does each vlan have an INPUT chain? Etc..
- cameron
Re: Article lacks important details
VLAN interfaces behave exactly as normal physical interfaces do in iptables. You can specify them for rules as incoming (-i) and outgoing (-o) interfaces.
I haven't had any issues with VLAN interfaces behaving differently than normal interfaces do any any of my deployments. I do know that in the past there were some issues with DHCP, but I have never had any problems with it myself.
Paul Frieden
Several things to note.
The linux kernel, at least, can handle VLANs on 10bt interfaces,
though it is likely you would have MTU issues on really ancient NICs.
Very cheap un-managed switches can also pass VLANs, though
you will not necessarily get the benefits of broadcast domain
restriction. For just playing with the technology, however, it is fine.
Some known good drivers include tg3, e100, e1000
At one time, the rtl8139 also worked out of the box but I haven't
tested it lately.
There are patches to various drivers found on this page:
http://www.candelatech.com/~greear/vlan/howto.html
Enjoy,
Ben Greear
Re: VLANs on Linux
Excellent article!
I appreciate the info on how to configure the switch to properly trunk to the Linux box as well as the clear introduction and examples.
I may pull that old 2900 out of the closet and actually play with this.
Re: VLANs on Linux
I'm terribly sorry but this was a crappy article. Understanding how to configure interfaces is done in two seconds. The MTU issues are a big problem that you wrestle with for much longer. Until recently (or does it still apply?) you had to patch your ethernet interface drivers manually in the kernel to adjust the maximum MTU size.
Also you have to adjust your ruleset to accompany the larger packets. Then some drivers are buggy and will crash when you increase MTU above the standard 1500 (not to speak of crappy taiwanese d-link switches that lock up from time to time).
All this is skimmed through with one sentence that it "could be issues". You might say that, yes.
Re: VLANs on Linux
I disagree with your criticism of the article. He did adequately address tne issue of limited/buggy Linux ethernet drivers (though a link to a more indepth resource, perhaps a Wiki page where various kernel hackers list links to their patches, would be nice).
Noting that some cheap ethernet equipment might also choke when connected to a trunk line would be nice, but is also above and beyind the call of this article.
As for how trivial the interfaces are to set up, configure and use --- that's the core of the article. I teach professional sysadmin courses, and compile kernels for breakfast (well, usually I start them before I go to bed, actually).
I've been seeing the VLAN 802.1q patch available for years and was vaguely familiar with VLANs from working alongside Cisco networks on numerous occasions. However, I'd never used the VLAN features, didn't know about the 'vconfig' command, wouldn't have known that the vlan* interfaces needed to be bound to their physical interfaces with it, and generally would have had to hunt around a bit to find that info.
This article introduced the concept well, and gave me enough info that I could fire up an old Cisco 2900 switch I have laying around and play with the functionality with no fuss. (Well, no fussing on the Linux side; I have no idea what state that 2900 is in and how I would fix it up; it's on permanent loan from a friend).
It's one of the best articles I've seen recently. I like the fact that he covers the basics of using Cisco IOS or is it CatOS for the other side of this effort; stressing how the switch must talk to the Linux box in trunk mode, and giving examples of setting up the other ports as well.
Re: VLANs on Linux
I abolutely agree with the reply to the original post. This was not intended to be an in depth article on vlans but introductory one to help a user new to vlans quickly set up to use them. I found it helpful in answering some questions I had since this just came up at work eg. can I trunk a linux box to a Cisco 3550 or do I need to buy another switch.
All in all a great starter article for anyone interested in getting started using vlans. BTW he does throw in some caveats regarding NIC drivers and MTU.
Thanks for the article!
Re: VLANs on Linux
I understand the benefits of VLANS, but I'm not quite sure what the purpose of configuring VLANS at the OS level is. Could you explain the purpose or benefit of configuring VLANS on Linux? Why would you need to do it you already configured VLANS in your switch.
Thanks.
Re: VLANs on Linux
Need some more detail information, etc router, iptable.
Re: VLANs on Linux
We use it for management. The public addresses of our servers only do serving, there is no management (ssh fx) on these addresses. Instead we use a separate LAN for management access. We could put a separate nic in each server, but it is much easier to just add a VLAN on eth0.
Our management VLAN is tagged throughout the network, so for me to get access to it, my workstation needs to support VLAN's too. My eth0 is configured like any other user's, but then I also have an eth0.2 configured, which happens to be our management VLAN.
The switch is configured to allow VLAN 2 only on the switch port where I sit, not on everybody else's. So normal users simply can't have access to VLAN 2. So there is no way they can even connect to an open port 22.
BTW we use Extreme Summit200 switches, and I like their syntax:
create vlan users
config users tag 10
config users ipaddress 192.168.1.1/24
config users add ports 1-24
create vlan management
config management tag 2
config management ipaddress 192.168.0.1/24
config management add ports 18 tagged
Simon
Re: VLANs on Linux
If you want to have a big NFS server directly on two or more subnet (without routing traffic trough the FW)
Re: VLANs on Linux
You'd do it when you want your Linux box on the trunk line to be a router from one VLAN to another, and perhaps even to run a Snort or Prelude IDS or other NIDS (network intrusion detection system) on on one or more of the VLANs.
I personally prefer separated switches or hub when I can --- especially for the DMZ and server room segments. However, VLANs become important at a certain scale (as do manageable, SNMP switches).
Re: VLANs on Linux
To route packets between vlans (applying firewall rules in the process). Using virtual interfaces instead of physcial is (obviously) a lot cheaper, provided that your switch is intelligent enough.
Re: Vlan configuration
I have a Linux box and am planning to configure a VLAN .. Please tell me how to configure a VLAN in that linux box
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