Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
At this week's LinuxWorld Expo in New York City, the Sony booth was showing off the Linux kit they just announced for their new PlayStation 2 (PS2). Although we're about two months away from the kit's release in the US, new is a rather relative term here. Sony's already sold several thousand Linux kits in Japan, and they've had the PS2 on sale for over a year state-side.
The PS2 is still the hottest game console according to Mike. Who's Mike you ask? He's one of my teenage son's friends. I kind of consider him the expert: he's the one with two PS2s, a host of other game gear and, most importantly, subscriptions to all of the game magazines. He and I spend at least an hour or so every couple of months catching up on all of the latest game console dirt.
Except it's not a game console, according to Adam Bertsch of Sony's computer entertainment division--it's a Computer Home Entertainment System. Right. And my socks aren't socks, they're mens' hosiery.
Regardless of what the Sony representative had to say about the PS2, it's still the undisputed game console champ. The Xbox may have landed, but near as I can tell, it's been a rough landing. Maybe something close to "auguring in" in military terms, where the the plane "lands" face first, embedded into the ground.
The PS2 has a lot going for it. First, it's priced more affordably. Second, regardless of the hype blowing in from the Northwest portion of the American landscape, it has far more game titles available. PS2 also runs Linux, supported by the manufacturer, if you want it.
Running Linux, however, has a couple of its own problems. So I had a lot of hard questions for Adam, such as: Can I make a Linux bootable CD for the PlayStation? The short answer: No. The why behind that requires a bit of explanation.
For starters, up until recently, Sony lost money on every PS2 sold. It's part of the dynamic of the console industry. People pay a lot for games, but they don't want to pay a lot for the system. To make up for the losses, the console manufacturers practically give the darn things away in an attempt to garner valuable market share--to sell more games which come with royalties that help pay the R&D costs of developing new consoles.
These, in case you haven't noticed, are quite different dynamics than the world most of us are familiar with, the commodity desktop and server industry.
Now Sony is introducing a curve ball. By making a Linux product (a keyboard, mouse, hard drive and a special Linux-bootable DVD) for the PS2, they're making the PS2 into an Internet-savvy computing platform and development box, as well as a game console. Some might even squint their eyes a bit and see a desktop PC that can use a plain old TV set for the display monitor and play some pretty cool games.
This isn't Sony's traditional gaming territory we're talking about here; it's definitely new ground. And it's hallowed ground in the gun sights of Microsoft, I'm sure. Sony's move is also making the landscape between the game console industry and the PC market all that much more blurry.
I find it more than interesting that the PS2 is gaining desktop capabilities at roughly the same time that Microsoft is attempting to gain hardware marketshare for a game console. But the Sony people didn't laugh when I proposed this, they scoffed. Regardless, it's a worthy footnote. Also noteworthy is the fact that Sony is a much bigger company than Microsoft. They're also a media conglomerate, which puts some of the following observations in perspective.
You can develop all of the games and applications you want for PS2 under Linux; as long as you don't expect to make a PS2 bootable CD, that is. Because, you see, they won't let you.
Due to the aforementioned loss-leader strategy, if you want to make your own games, you've got to become a Sony-certified game developer, and that means you've got to drink the Sony developer Kool-Aid. (Cough up some extra cash, please).
From a Linux hacking perspective, the certification requirement is kind of sad and quite limiting. Of course, speculation was immediate regarding how quickly this limitation would be broken, but it's exactly this kind of nonsense that the DMCA was written to enforce.
I'm going to take the rare side of corporate interest here and say that I can see their point of view. The game console market is even more fierce than the desktop market in a lot of respects. Even though I don't see Microsoft's Xbox doing more than becoming the cool paperweight of the future, there's still fierce competition from many directions, not the least of which is the desktop PC environment, which continues to get cheaper by the day.
Sony has to have their pound of flesh for every PS2 game sold, but they'd like more developers to learn the PS2 from a technical perspective. It's a tricky situation, and I applaud them for simply making the PS2 Linux kit available in the first place. But it would be even better if they could come up with some way to collect their game royalties and give the developers the freedom to make Linux-bootable games.
The sad fact is this wish to do both doesn't appear to be possible anytime in the near future. The reason I suggest this is because I know the Linux community mindset, and it's one that doesn't like any authoritarian point of control. While Sony may understand that there are people that want PS2 Linux, they can't give up this precious control. Doing so would undermine the cost structure of the market they've carefully cultivated.
PS2 Linux has other limitations. For starters, it's based upon the 2.2 kernel and an old version of XFree86. This, Sony hopes, will be rectified someday soon by people in the community who become interested in the possibilities of PS2 development.
The PS2 Linux kit also won't play DVDs, even though the PS2 has this capability out of the box. Why? Mainly, Sony doesn't want to turn it into the ultimate DVD ripping tool, another concern of a company that's got a game-console/media conglomerate focus.
Regardless, running Linux on the PS2 is another bullet point (besides Grand Turismo III ) on my list of reasons why I'd love to have a one. Unfortunately, I suspect that I'd spend a bit more time, um, benchmarking the game hardware than developing software. But Sony hopes to find a few people that can overcome this tendency, which would, in turn, help create reasons for others to purchase the PS2.
At $300.00 for the PS2 and $200.00 for the Linux add-on kit, it's not a bad price-point for the value and capabilities you're getting.
Walking away from the Sony booth, I was struck with a thought regarding the diversity of the Linux platform. Linux is running on game consoles (or, Home Entertainment Computer Centers, or whatever it is), PDAs, desktops and IBM Zseries mainframes. Whatever the outcome is for Sony's gaming market, this is good news for GNU/Linux and free software in general. Now, if I could only convince my wife that I'm buying a $500.00 PC.
Paul Ferris is a Linux Geek-at-Large. He's currently looking for a challenging assignment.
email: paulmferris@yahoo.com
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Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
one more thing, what do you mean when you say ultimate dvd ripping tool? you mean like burning them on a cd? cause computers can do it, so why shouldnt the playstation linux kit be able to? sony declares on it's website that this thing can turn your ps2, into a "fully functional desktop computer" so what are they leaving out...
Tyler
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
okay, a cd comes with the linux system for ps2, isnt that what boots it up, im pretty sure you half to use that everytime you wanna get into the linux stuff, so if that cd isnt in there, then why wont you be able to play dvd movies. thats what im not getting, who wants to pop out the harddrive every damn time you play a dvd... the cd has to boot the thing right? if not, what's it for? so if it's not in the ps2, you should be able to play dvd movies... will someone please explain more in detail, cause im not up on the subject. im also wondering about the linux programs because i have never used them before to my knowledge, what im sayin is if i have a 40gb harddrive, will i be able to browse the net, download music, and save whatever i want? and aslo on the ps2 website it says that the linux system may only be used on a "sync on green" moniter, what it doesnt say is if you can use your tv... without a moniter completly... and what is this vector thing, and where can i read about it? can linux be used with fully functional with a mod chip? just some ?s please feel free to answer and set me straight... cause im confused as hell... thank you...
Tyler
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
Adam Bertsch and Matt Rich of Sony Consumer Entertainment of America will be at the Southern California Linux Expo in Los Angeles on Nov 2. We'll be demoing Linux for Playstation 2 and answering questions, etc. A linux kit will be *given* to a lucky show attendee. The conference is all day Saturday, Nov 2, at the University of Southern California. For more info, visit SCALE at:
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
Too bad that the new PS2s, the 39001s date code 2c and later won't run the SCEA.com linux 1.0 release. It does not recognize the CD as one of it's "approved" disks.
Come on Sony -- get your act together.
Darc Fyber
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
the url on that is: http://www.socallinuxexpo.com
You can play dvds
To play dvds all you have to do is pop out the harddrive.DUH! and one thing that is grea is you can use the linux ps2 stuff to download moveis, games and music off the net and rent them, but you wont beable to keep them (i dont think) or put them on disc, they will stay in the memory drive of the PS2. The PS2 has broke the boundies of all things, no other system is like this. X-box and gamecube are just little pretty play toys.
Re: You can play dvds
your a fucktard the xbox is better and Paul Ferris is a jackass the xbox can do linux and requires no $200 kit that is forever sold out all you need is an action replay and mechassault not too difficult
Re: You can play dvds
hEY gUY, xbox PLAYS lINUX ABOUT A MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN A PS2, THEN AGAIN IT IS A PC WRAPPED UP IN A CONSOLE
Re: You can play dvds
xbox has real linux, 733M cpu, you can add HD up to 160G(137G usable space).
you can make image of games and what ever on it. without having to pay huge price for HD as you can use normal ones.
but you HAVE TO pay a lot to sony if you want this stupid ps2 linux.
ps2 is not even pretty toy, it's just a toy, comparing to xbox.
Re: You can play dvds
You do not half to pop out the damned harddrive, just the linux cd... then it doesnt function and goes back to the old ps2! DUH!
Re: You can play dvds
hey im not any kind of genius, but if its running linux you could probably download/write/get someone else to write some software to play the dvds, while in linux. just thought id suggest this coz i like doing things for the hell of it, and i guess there's a lot of other people out there like me.
Just need a ps2 now...
anti_communist_fish
Re: You can play dvds
The first thing you load to boot into linux on your playstation2 is the Runtime Environment. Linux communicates with the hardware through the Runtime Environment and so the Runtime Environment can dictate what parts of the hardware you can actually access.
Unfortunately the Runtime Environment does not allow you to access any DVD's except special DVD's with a special authentication.
Unfortunately, again, The Runtime Environment is not open source, so you'd have to reverse engineer it to open the system up. Not easy not even for the gurus.
You could try and find a usb or 1394 DVD rom that works with linux.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
"The PS2 Linux kit also won't play DVDs, even though the PS2 has this capability out of the box. "
How can it not play DVDs if the linux distribution
itself will come in DVD-ROMS??
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
dude playing a dvd moving and reading a dvd rom are 2 entirely different things
Your ps2 will still play dvds, just not from linux, youll have to boot it up regular style and play the movie.
In linux you will boot to a dvdrom that has the linux boot files, but you will not be able to read other disks in the dvd rom drive.
read up a little before whinng you dont understand
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
Sony is intentionally forbidding the use of the dvd drive under linux and the reason is quite simple- to reduce the risk of game and movie piracy as a result of this excellent contribution. I can't say I blame them, although I wish it wasn't so.
No DVD's?
why will the ps2 not be able to play dvd's anymore??
why does linux suspend this?
please help me to under stand this!!
Re: No DVD's?
You'll not be able to play DVD video discs on Linux because the acess to the hardware (except vector units, graphic units, memory, and main processor) is made through a runtime environment.
This runtime environment is pure software bridging your app's acess to hardware.
So you say "Why the hell Sony did this?".
The answer is quite simple: because if you have low-level acess to the dvd drive you could break the piracy protections.
The acess to the usb ports is made through the runtime environment too.
"Why???" you ask again.
And again the answer is very simple: because if you could acess these ports directly, you could develop USB devices to work with the ps2 without paying any royalties to sony. You shouldn't need their very expensive licence to develop hardware to work with PS2.
Hope you have clarified your ideas now.
Re: No DVD's?
only while linux is running will you not be able to play dvd's because the linux dvd must remain in the drive. when you take the linux disc out, it functions as normal.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
can you use the wine emulator for the ps2 linux so you can play pc games on the ps2? cause thats the big question.
Vector processable CPU is available with PS2!
In addtion to a fair price point of Linux box, PS2
will come with two vector processor VU0, VU1 and
one graphics processor. The beta version of PS2
Linux is available in Japan about a year ahead,
and we can read some articles about vector
processing and other usage of PS2 with Linux in
Japanese. People who can read Japanese, should
refer to the
LinuxJapan PS2 issue.
Of course, PS2 is only a game machine, and
it has only 32MB of RAMBUS memory, it will be
hard to use for numerical analysis applications.
But some of you will have great benefit from the
vector processor.
Re: Vector processable CPU is available with PS2!
I wonder (not knowing much about the PS2) how easy it is to increase the memory to, say 1GB and have included on the Linux Disc apps that have 3D stuff built in.
Maybe sony should release their version of Linux:
How about calling it Sonix PS2 Developer's Kit.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
I don't know that much about computers and their hardware, but I do think that the Sony Playstation being able to handle Linux is very interesting. It's such an opportunity to spend more mnoney, but overall being able to save money. With all the new game consoles being developed it's hard to pick which one is better. I suppose a good way to pick which game console is the best is according to your needs and what you want (as well as how much you want to pay). Linux has proven they have a large amount of diversity, this only helps them reach more consumers. Even though it talks about DVD's in the article, I think it's peculiar that Linux doesn't allow the PS2 to play DVD's which is a main attraction? I do have to say that even though the PS2 Linux is appearing. How do you we know that it won't have a supposedly "rocky start" as the X Box has? Paul Ferris seems to be against Microsoft, but i have found that the X Box is actually proced the same as PS2 and works just fine.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
If the article says that the new Linux operating system for the PS2 will not let the user play DVD discs, does that mean that you also can not play games for the PS2 that are on DVD-ROM discs? Can you even play the regular playstation2 games after you have installed linux on the hard drive? All of the sources that i have read do not really explain this very well.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
I was really curious about this as well. I'd like linux on my playstation 2, but if it means sacrificing the ability to play games and dvd's i dont think its worth it at all.
PS2 Linux as foot-hold for PS3...
It's well known that consoles like the Xbox and GameCube will encourage Sony to work hard on the next PlayStation (3)...
What I see is the possibility for Hard-drives to become standard Console Faire; and then all you'd need to turn the PS3 into a Linux box woud be the VGA controller, a keyboard, and a mouse...
So future PS3's will probably cost $300, with a linux add on for $50-$100 dollars...
And this makes sence, because developer's models produced in smaller numbers would be more expensive per unit, with potential future units not requiring a harddrive...
Personally I just hope that nothing stops (say) Open Racer from releasing for PS2... And would or wouldn't the PS2/3 come with the standard KDE or Gnome Games???
What about Yahoo! or Web games on the consoles???
Re: PS2 Linux as foot-hold for PS3...
PS2 developer models were costing in the thousands. You could only get one ($500) if you bought the developer license. I was going to go that route to develop, but it was too costly at the time... that was about 12 months ago
Open Sourced?
At Slashdot.org I found an interesting post to an article which explains pretty much what you can and can't do with Linux on PS2. Besides it's good to have Linux growing up on many homes, it's dissapointing to me to be so much restricted.
http://www.execpc.com/~halkun/PS2/
Open Sourced? or Closed-Open Sourced? Little confusing. Read it and post your comments.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
What WILL a person be able to do with it? Play MP3s, Divx movies, upload pictures from my digital camera??? I'm curious.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
> What WILL a person be able to do with it? Play MP3s, Divx movies, upload pictures from my digital camera??? I'm curious.
Well - what do you do with your computer? The answer is that it'll make it a cheap PC and a geek toy. Plus the promise of emulation like MAME is pretty tempting on a TV with a proper controller.
Re: Linux for the Sony PlayStation 2: Dilemma or Dream System?
I will buy the Linux Add-on one after the PS2-MAME port is complete, and supports the PS2 controllers I wont care How I have to boot it.It will be my Dream Mame System!!!
The reason I have doubts
I was really excited about this until I read through the FAQ at the Sony/Linux website and found out that the system is limited to 32 meg of ram and there is supposedly nothing you can do about it. If someone could figure out how to get it to at least 64 meg maybe I could get interested again.
Re: The reason I have doubts
hi, i think you can upgrade your memory, this is how i think you can actually do it.
-first install you linux soft for PS2
-then download free PC emulator at "http://www.winehq.com". this will allow you to play any PC software, and that should include drivers.
-then buy USB ram ( its a bit more expensive ) connect it on your spare USB or you can buy the USB hub from www.codejunkies.com. that should enable you to connect up to four USB memory.
- the drivers should be allowed to be installed since it runs PC software.
that seems the only way. but if it works then you could connect things like scanner, printer, and a new Hard drive.
i havent tries it yet, cos i just ordered linux today. but ill keep you informed if it works. this could be a way to go around it.
DeathSide
Re: The reason I have doubts
First, USB memory modules works just as flash-memory drives: you cant use it as RAM, instead of, you can mount it and store files in it.
Second, imaging that you could use it as RAM, the acess time and bandwidth is extremely low in comparision to conventional RAM.
Third, you cannot run WINE on PS2 Linux. This limitation is implied because WINE needs a x86 core processor to run. Yes, this means WINE cannot be ported to any other plataform than a PC.
Still cool
This one lands in the still cool category. Also, if you can get sdl and pygame installed it could be a cool platform for python games, and if you're not using the sony sdk, you don't need to pay any fees to use it as a pygame or sdl development platform.
Re: The reason I have doubts
the kit comes with a 40gib harddrive
Re: The reason I have doubts
not paying attention or something? He was talking about RAM memory, not HDD memory...