"Sorry, but your system does not meet the minimum system requirements"

Sorry, but your system does not meet the minimum system requirements (Adobe). The all-new Yahoo! Mail has not been tested with your operating system (Yahoo).

What do these two messages have in common? In both cases, they were generated by trying to access the service or software from a Linux-based PC. I wish I could say it was because I am running 64-bit Fedora, or because I want to do something special with the sites, but sadly, that is not the case. In the case of Yahoo, I am just trying to access my mail box. It does work, but it "has not been tested," which leads me to believe that if some feature fails to work as I expect it to, I am pretty much out of luck. In the case of Adobe, I need to download something called Adobe Digital Editions in order to read an electronic book from Cisco Press. I guess this indicates that Cisco admins only use Windows or Apple as their desktop systems.

And this bothers me. It bothers me on a number of levels. Linux is no longer just for servers, nor has it been for more than ten years. Major corporations, like Cisco, are pressing for a larger Linux presence, working with development shops and providing software that interacts or runs on Linux.

A web mail client should not have to be "tested" to work with a specific operating system. It should be tested to interoperate with the HTML standards, but the operating system should be irrelevant. That is supposed to be the strength of n-tier systems.

One of the key points I gained from this year's LinuxCon was that the desktop, as a meme, is dead. And by dead, I mean that it does not matter what the hardware or operating system is. It should not matter if you are accessing data via an Android-powered netbook or an Apple-powered tablet. Making the cloud work, means that the standards must be more than hardware and OS. And yet tools that are supposedly designed to make it easier to integrate and interoperate with the cloud and its data are still hamstrung by having to have a specific operating system, bit version, and CPU running underneath them.

As a Linux user, this makes me very angry...and it is time to start expressing my opinion with my wallet. Regrettably, I do not really think that is going to be enough.

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David Lane, KG4GIY is a member of Linux Journal's Editorial Advisory Panel and the Control Op for Linux Journal's Virtual Ham Shack

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Yahoo Classic Mail will be remodeled too

Owl's picture

Sorry to tell you this, but in all their press releases they put out, as well as many other places, they informed us they intend to "upgrade and remodel" mail as well to the new interface.

If you want some URLS to read about it, just ask me or go read the group I mentioned in the previous post, it's public, you don't have to join to read.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#

Good luck

tagMacher's picture

Good luck to them with that I would say. Actually HotMail seems less obnoxious of the two, so it may not be right to blame MSFT for all the mess. Its spam filters have improved though not anywhere as effective as Google's has been for me. And simple e-mail still works there.
And ultimately I have been using all these services for free, so I guess its not entirely correct to complain.

Yahoo is destroying Yahoo Groups too!

Owl's picture

David, if you will talk to us, we can really give you a story to print!

Yahoo has been destroying Yahoo Groups for 3 weeks, with the "new and improved" remodel, despite despite thousands of us raising our voices in every area of the Internet and Yahoo that we can reach that we do NOT want this remodel, and want them to continue to retain the Classic Groups Format as an option.

They have screwed up privacy settings, making information suddenly public that had ben private for year. They got rid of message numbers, made archives next to impossible to access, lost archives completely in some cases, and used such bad coding that archive posts were completely rewritten with content missing. And the coding errors alone are a story in themselves!

They have removed 30+ features, and made it a facebook-like interface. The threading is all screwed up, and the reply to send option is gone. In fact, even the quoting option is gone. Moderators have no control of their options, as the management section does not work much.

The home page is changed, the picture there is the size of a postage stamp. The home information page is hidden behind a tab called About. The photos in albums are rearranged, pulled out of albums, and in many cases renamed or resized. Some people even lost photos, one person lost 600.

Put quite simply, Yahoo Groups is no longer useable for most groups, or blind people, or other disabled people who need to use that interface. Elderly people can't figure it out. Heck, I'm not elderly and *I couldn't figure it out.

People are leaving in droves, some in the tens of thousands, with up to 500 groups each. This is a story, trust me, we are trying to get our voices heard in a group I created for it, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/modsandmembers/

We are writing everyone we can from advertisers to CEOs and heads of departments. We are commenting on every thread we can find on the net about Yahoo's "new improved" model.

PLEASE contact me, come check us out and write our story???? We need to tell the World what Yahoo is trying to do to us!

Sincerely,

Nightowl >8#

Some advice

FreeBooteR's picture

1. Yahoo = Microsoft. 'nuff said

2. Use other solutions for ebooks like:
http://www.emusic.com/audiobooks/index.html

Shouldn't matter...but does

TheWall's picture

"It should not matter if you are accessing data via an Android-powered netbook or an Apple-powered tablet."

I had to laugh (bitterly, unfortunately) when I read this. You are right, of course. It *shouldn't* matter, but it does...even on platforms that you really would expect to work correctly. For example, try editing a file in Google Docs on an Android. Uh, no. Read-only, even though Google Docs (natch) is a Google product, as is Android. There was another Google product (Video? I don't recall, and I can't test it at the moment...) that wouldn't work with Chrome on Ubuntu recently. Really? A *Google* product that didn't interoperate with *Google's* browser? You would think Chrome would be the FIRST browser to be tested with Google's web-based products!

If Google can't get their software to work with their own web products, then what are the odds that other vendors' web products will interoperate with any given piece of software on the PC?

The Web is broken.

Rick's picture

It just is. No browser is perfect, and many have significant flaws. Development platforms force web developers to literally choose the browsers they will support the best. Without add-ons, you can't do much.

The Web is broken. HTML5 doesn't fix it. IE makes it worse. FF is not the answer. Adherence to standards is the only hope.

Of course your issues with

Anonymous's picture

Of course your issues with Yahoo Mail have nothing to do with Microsoft and its backdoor takeover of Yahoo a while back.....of course not.

Our money means nothing to Microsoft. The only thing that will make any difference is regulatory and legal action against companies like Microsoft. Nothing else will make a difference. Microsoft will continue to pollute standards to hang on to their monopoly forever unless regulators step in and correct the out of balance market situation that allows corporations like Microsoft to pull these exclusionary tactics.

We're way beyond the point where thinking your wallet is going to make any difference here.

Sarcasm is actually true here

BillH's picture

Your sarcasm is actually true here. Yahoo Mail showing the warning has nothing to do with Microsoft's "back door" takeover of Yahoo. I have been getting the message for a long time, pre-dating even the whispers of Microsoft and Yahoo together.

meh

bufke's picture

You get a browser warning if you try accessing Yahoo on Chrome too. Adobe Digital Editions very disappointing. The best ebook + drm solution I've found for Linux is Kobo Desktop but they support Linux only unofficially and it involves downloading a random dropbox link :P

ADE

Jimmy the Geek's picture

Adobe's Digital Editions isn't so much an anti-Linux thing as you make it out to be. I'm not defending them. At all.

ADE is a DRM scheme that publishers use for many e-documents (not just books) that requires the use of ADE to view that e-book. Working in a public library that offers downloadable e-books & other stuff, I've seen this regularly. Even users of Windows & Mac OS X have to use it for a lot of e-books. It's very restrictive and annoying, and it's a huge reason most folks don't bother with e-books.

If the publishers would get behind one format, say e-pub (which is a more open & usable format), then things like this wouldn't be an issue.

Oh, and the Yahoo! Mail thing? It's a problem with their system, no doubt. You get that message if you are using Chromium (and Chrome on Windows/Mac) as well. So much for HTML standards compliance. Just another day in Failadise.

this wont last :)

markh's picture

this wont last......I am very frustrated with this sort of thing as well since when I took cisco classes 10 years ago they were talking about the 7 layers etc and that OS should be irrelevant on a web standard etc.

....why wont this last???? well its not because of the grace of companies toward us linux users but it IS from the insane amount of money coming from the smart phone market! the smart phones are the best thing to happen to linux in a long time because it is forcing web developers to actually code their sites by html standards (not it works on IE so whats your problem....) this also means better adhering to flash & java etc.

BTW I access my yahoo mail all the time from firefox in Kubuntu and I have not gotten this error "yet".

So what happens if you fake

Anonymous's picture

So what happens if you fake it out with different user agent strings?

I've found 9 times out of 10

Anonymous's picture

I've found 9 times out of 10 a fake User Agent string is all that it takes to make them work. Can't say for yahoo... just don't use it.

user agent string

TonnieL's picture

I agree with altering the user agent as a possible workaround, but I will probably never visit that site or any other affected site again, if I need to go to those lengths(Not that it's a huge deal, it's just a pita). Clearly the Linux crowd is still being ignored on a regular basis when it comes to interoperability. I used to be an avid Yahoo! user years ago, but I've long since abandoned them. I have no problem with their devotion to shareholders, but ignoring such a large constituency of Linux users is obviously not a major concern for them, thus they ceased to be of major concern to me.

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