Linux in Viet Nam

I was looking for something on the Nicaragua LUG web site (http://www.linux.org.ni/) and tripped on the following post:
Todas la computadoras del estado en Vietnam usaran Linux [EN]

El ministerio Vietnamita de Información y Comunicaciones ha promulgado una norma administrativa que incrementa el uso de software libre en las agencias del estado, incrementando el uso del software libre en el soporte (back office) y en el escritorio.

De acuerdo con la nueva norma, para el 30 de Junio del 2009, el 100% de los servidores deben correr Linux y para fin de 2009 el 70% de las agencias deben usar OpenOffice, Mozilla Firefox y Mozilla Thunderbird. Vietnam tiene una poblacion de 86 millones de personas, 4 millones mayor que la alemana

While you can probably guess even with no Spanish knowledge, it says by June 30 2009, 100% of the servers in the government will run Linux and by the end of the year, 70% of the agencies should use OpenOffice, ...

Here in Nicaragua, the government is quickly moving to Linux which is cool but we are less than six million. Viet Nam is a bit more significant. Linus said it first: World Domination.

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Not on Kubuntu

Anonymous's picture

I have been trying for a year to get SKIM to let me switch between typing in Vietnamese and English. I still can't do it! I saw it work out of the box on Ubuntu... but on my Kubuntu install I am still launching my Windows virtual machine to type in Vietnamese and keep my user interface in English!

If the Vietnamese say they will do it they will do it.

Felix Dzerzhinsky's picture

The Vietnamese are a lot different from the Cambodians in that people follow rules. When the Vietnamese ordered the use of motorcycle helmets everyone put them on. Here in Cambodia for the last two years they have been threatening crackdowns but people still don't wear helmets.

If the Vietnamese say they will install open source they will make a good effort in implementing it.

Interestingly here in Cambodia there is a lot of open source:

www.khmeros.info

Helmets and Linux

Anonymous's picture

Actually the laws requiring helmets were in place and "enforced" for 5 years before they announced that they would "really be enforcing" the law. So for 5 years the law was completely in-effectual.

Given that almost every single report required for filing personal income tax, social insurance/health insurance/unemployment insurance, labour statistics, etc. are all currently Excel templates, and my direct experience with trying to get Vietnamese Excel users comfortable in OOo Calc, I would guess that this will be years in implementation, if Microsoft does come around bribe them to change their mind first. I expect that this will rather be more like the 2001 requirement that standardizes all Vietnamese documents to be typed in Unicode. To this day I have never once seen a government distributed document in Unicode. They are all still VNI or TCVN and require special fonts to be viewed. Even the software distributed by the tax office for calculating corporate income tax in 2005 and 2007 required the installation of special fonts and fails to generate Unicode Vietnamese.

So while I applaude and encourage the move, I would actually much prefer to see Unicode implemented as standard first!

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kerala (indian state)

Neel's picture

here in kerala, which is at the southern most tip of india there has been widespread adoption of linux even in the local community. all the govt. schools have been running on linux for more than a year now :)

I study in a "model engineering college" in cochin city, kerala, and we hold linux classes for the school kids on a regular basis. its just natural progression.

here's the old link about when the govt. started the linuxing :

http://www.financialexpress.com/news/Kerala-logs-Microsoft-out/175487/

This is one of two

Anonymous's picture

This is one of two things:

1.) a strong-arming threat to Microsoft to get lower prices (i. e. "pulling a Newham"), or
2.) a genuine Munich- or Venezuela-like directive.

I sure hope it's #2.

It's a huge joke

Nguyen  Nam's picture

We are linux shop in Vietnam, and we hope this dream come true. But it's still a huge damn joke. Again, it's propaganda. Just to cover that there are so many illegally M$ desktop are around.

The good news is on our interview, when asking some freshment about Linux, the common answer is "I managed to install Linux". And that's it with Linux education.

Communist party members? Let's ask them what's an computer and what's made for?

Pirated or Not

John Perser's picture

Until Linux can provide a better solution in terms of applications than Windows, Windows will continue to dominate, legal copy or not. In fact, Microsoft's inability to completely lockout illegal copies actually tends to support its popularity.

I would love to see higher adoption rates for Linux because I believe it is a much better and secure computing platform but my perception of 'better' isn't the same as the next guy.

Windows is the most accessible and with thousands of applications it's the easier choice. Is OpenOffice better? Yes, light years from where it was when I first saw StarOffice in Germany in the 90's. Are there apps to play music, movies, do desktop video editing and the like? Yes, but are they as easy to install/configure and offer the same user experience as apps on Windows? I don't think so just yet. Until people (programmers) can make a living building and selling applications for Linux, they will continue to focus on other platforms. It's kind of a chicken and egg problem.

If governments MANDATE the use of Linux and will fund contractors to build applications for it (kind of like a space program) then technology will move forward at a much faster pace. You would finally reach critical mass to overcome the Windows inertia and et voila, Linux becomes mainstream.

Until that time, it remains a distant alternative on the desktop while growing in domination in the server room.

Just my 2c.

-regs,
J

"In fact, Microsoft's

Barun's picture

"In fact, Microsoft's inability to completely lockout illegal copies actually tends to support its popularity."

I don't think it's M$'s inability. It's rather its unwillingness. And if, indeed, its inability, then I must say the best programmers of the world are outside M$. And that is a good thing.

Linux has evolved a lot in the past decade. I use Fedora Core 1 (one of the oldest Linux dists) and XUbuntu 8.04 (one of the modern dists). I hope a hybrid of Fedora Core and Ubuntu would be available some day in future.

"Windows is the most accessible and with thousands of applications it's the easier choice."

Perhaps you don't know about thousands of programmers developing lacs of "Free and Open Source" applications for Linux. In most of the cases, they are free of cost too.

your wrong

Kickback999's picture

Thats why I like linux so much.
Not only is it faster, more secure and a better looking desktop (imo), but also software is much easier to install.
1. No searching torrent sites for applications like anti virus and all the simple stuff that should really be free.
2. No stupid "install wizard"
its so much easier all you do is type
yum install "program"
or apt-get "program"
or emerge "program" (depending on your distribution)
My wireless (intel somethingorother) worked out of the box and so did all the other devices on my laptop (unlike windows where you have to trawl through the driver cd)

"Yes, but are they as easy

Anonymous's picture

"Yes, but are they as easy to install/configure and offer the same user experience as apps on Windows? I don't think so just yet."

Really??? Have you ever tried uninstalling Norton 360? It can be a royal *itch to uninstall. And have you ever looked at the registry after someone has installed a whole bunch of software then uninstalled it? It's a flipping nightmare. Package managers are a much more efficient way of managing software, none of this browsing the registry to eliminate software, or having to buy a third party product to do it.

and more generaly: FLOSS in Vietnam

Jean Christophe André's picture

Well… It means a lot of servers and nobody really believes in this quite short deadline… ;-)

But, yes, the Vietnamese government has now taken a number of official decisions to go FLOSS and they'll do it for sure!

Last year there was official announces for using Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice.org and Unikey in Education and OpenOffice.org on the 20,000 Communist Party's computers. There is also more and more private companies using Linux for web servers.

FLOSS also tend to become popular in the population: the Vietnam was in the top 10 downloaders of Firefox 3.0 and Ubuntu is becoming (slowly, but more and more) popular on desktops too.

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