Debian on Steroids III: Libranet 3.0

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Libranet Debian Linux is back in the ring, this time as a heavyweight desktop contender.
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Old hardware support has some gaps

Jack Carroll's picture

As good as LN 3.0 is on up-to-date hardware, as well-chosen as its mixed tree of packages is, and as strong a tool as Adminmenu is, the Libranet team's finite resources do show up in some areas. I concentrated on testing it with older hardware, and found some problems that I hope will be cleaned up in a later update.
First of all, there are no boot floppies, not even supplied as images on the CDs. Nor is there a network installation or cross-installation procedure. This makes 3.0 impossible to install on any computer that can't boot from a CD. Second, the new installer is totally dependent on getting X Windows working early in the process. This excludes another large category of older hardware, where the graphics hardware may be difficult to get working without the resources of an installed system, or where there isn't enough disk space to support X.
The good news with X is, the problems with setting up Nvidia and Radeon cards got pretty well ironed out during the last part of the beta period. The menu screens can be a little tricky to figure out, but all the necessary hooks are there.
I also hit some problems with older network boards. I had to do considerable hacking to get a couple of ISA boards recognized and configured.
For newcomers with machines built in the last 3 years or so, and no unusual hardware combinations (in other words, stock desktop PCs), Libranet 3.0 makes solid sense as a primary choice. For others, Debian Sarge is a good candidate to consider. Because LN is built on top of Debian, skills learned on one are mostly applicable to the other. Debian can install on just about anything, and its new installer is much easier to use than the fearsome utility of a few years ago. Still, there's no equivalent to Adminmenu, so you'll spend more time with the reference manual and the text editor setting up your configuration files. Libranet and stock Debian can complement each other well in a site with a wide assortment of equipment.

Disappointed

Derek's picture

Hello,

I recently paid for 3.0 after trying a number of distros and not finding the "perfect one" (if one even exists).

While I agree with much said here I have to say that the first looks impression of Libranet were not good at all. The menues look terrible and have duplication all over the place. The default screen looks even worse.

Technically I think you have gotten it quite right, but what about the look of the system when it is sitting there in front of you? I really hoped after spending the money that I would have a system that looked professional out of the box. I didn't expect that I would have to make numerous changes to get things looking as they should from a commercial product.

Libranet has much to be congratulated for. Admin is wonderful. But they need to make an effort to centralize on perhaps two or three windows managers and make each look as they should...professional.

Just my two cents.

Thanks

distribution

Anonymous's picture

Just get used on Debian. It really makes everything and once used to it it's wonderfull and perfect, nothing is missing ...

New to me

Baz's picture

I must admit i never heard of this distro before. It sounds really good. I was considering upgrading my SuSE 9.1 box to 9.3 but now I'm going to try Libranet first.

Thanks for the heads-up!

Second that of MEPIS

devnet's picture

I'll have to agree. SimplyMEPIS 3.3 has my vote as best and easiest to use distro available. It's far to simple to use and detects everything you throw at it. Good luck with that Libranet thing.

Truth, Justice and the Secure way!

Consultant's picture

You know, I don't see anything that would pull me away from Mepis, pros and cons accepted but I just have to say this review is done so well, and even so nice looking, I hope more are to come.

Have you done Mepis lately? I'll search.

Oh, and don't bother so much with things that are easy user preference changes. No offence, but like single click. I prefer KDE but enjoy my found "MacOSX" gtk2 theme for those Gnome apps that I run in KDE. See "Switcher2" I think it's called.

Oh and you poor Windows users out there, STOP running to the store to buy anti-virus and anti-spyware. They're free(Zonealarm non-pro, AVG anit-virus, Ad-aware SE) but Windows still eats your time updating it all; unlike new easy open software. Things have indeed changed.

And another thing! The bigest advantage of open software is the easy package managment. You may never run old software (and for free) again. THIS is why Bill wants to "talk."

I'm glad to say, if you have a computer bone in your body; even the tip of your little finger, then it's time. http://www.mepis.com

It may have more programs, bu

Anonymous's picture

It may have more programs, but everything Debian is just an apt-get away. If you check their forums, a lot of long time users have had problems with the new install (written from scratch, instead of basing it on Sarge's install, like Ubuntu did, or basing it on their old installer that was so good). This was rushed out the door, costs a LOT, and uses the same packages as Ubuntu.

Let's face it: They included a ton of packages to cover up that they charge $90 for a copy, but really don't give much more than Ubuntu or Mepis.

I think you are being a littl

Anonymous's picture

I think you are being a little dishonest. I am on the forums and I have seen very few problems with the installer (there have been a notable few). It does cost $90 for new users (discounts for students, seniors, and disabled in addition for existing users), of course, this covers all the installs you might make (including one user on the forums who administers 100s of computers).

Also, I can't stress enough, it does give you something different than sarge, etc. XAdminmenu is awesome, yes there are other tools out there that 1 by 1 does some of those things, but nothing even comes close to XAdminmenu's completelness, and you don't have to hunt for the utilities to boot!

As a last note, 3.0 was not "rushed out the door" as you would know if you'd been around the forums at all. It's been in beta testing since late last year! The team took their time and it shows.

This was a libranet article

synacl_god's picture

so why the post about mepis? mepis sucks, even knoppix uit better than mepis and *it* doth not suffer from the makers, 'we'll give it to u but the extra apps are ours' mentality

Mepis sucks big time my

Anonymous's picture

Mepis sucks big time my friends :)

linux is too hard compared

Anonymous's picture

linux is too hard compared to ms

re:This was a libranet article

Humphrey Jiller's picture

As you mention Knoppix - hey this was the only Linux-Distri. that ever worked fine without ANY changes from me 8-))))

You obviously have not tried

Anonymous's picture

You obviously have not tried mepis 3.3. it is the most user friendly distro that I've come across... period. Everything just works, and all of the debian packages work with it also.

Are you joking?

Anonymous's picture

This is debian on steroids? If you say so, but steroids aren't regarded so kindly these days. The author may like the product but that doesn't mean it's universally great. How does it compare to Xandros, Linspire or Ubuntu?

I don't know what warrants Libranet getting a review on LJ.

Libranet GNU/Linux 3.0 Screenshots by OSDir.com

Anonymous's picture

here -> shots.osdir.com

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