Kino Tips: Installing from Scratch and Exporting MPEG Videos

November 10th, 2004 by Olexiy Tykhomyrov and Denys Tonkonog in

If you're ready to give video editing and movie making a try now that you know about Kino, here are some tips to get you up and running.
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The December issue of Linux Journal includes our feature article "Making Movies with Kino". Here, we offer a companion article with instructions for installing or upgrading Kino, as well as some tips for what you can do with this popular video editing program.

Tip: An IEEE1394 Card and Cable

Before we start building the program, here's one non-Linux tip: if your PC does not have a built-in IEEE1394 card or if you wish to buy an extra IEEE card, try to find one with an IEEE1394 cable--it is cheaper in the long run. If you do buy a cable separately, remember that a nice-looking cable labeled Sony in a video shop may cost much more than an ordinary one labeled 1394 in a computer shop, but there are no differences in how they work.

Tip: Installing from Source

Kino is not a monolith program, but it does call some extra stuff and uses many libraries while running. A tree of the main dependencies is shown below in Figure 1. In order to compile Kino successfully, you have to install all the needed packages beforehand and compile them from source. Hopefully, the configuration script will help you determine the required software.

Figure 1. Kino Main Dependencies Tree

Start by finding the recent sources on SourceForge.net and loading them. Unzip and untar the file and follow the README instructions. By running the ./configure script, you can learn in detail all that you have to add to your machine in order to compile Kino successfully. You need to install the missing components according to the distribution. In such cases, you have to install with run-time libraries the corresponding files for developers, such packages contain "devel" or something similar in their names.

As a rule of thumb, the newer the version of Kino you want to compile, the newer libraries you need to install or update. Some of them may be not available for your distribution at all. In such cases, you have to compile the libraries from source or find pre-compiled ones. More details on this step are offered below, in "Installing from Packages".

If the ./configure script finishes without errors, run make and then make install. If a problem arises with the make scripts, an error message gives you complete information about what happened. The README file also can help you finding the reason for the unsuccessful compilation.

Tip: Installing Plugins from Source

Kino plugins timfx timfx and dvtitler provide some extra functions. The process of installing timfx requires a C++ interface and signal framework libraries. On SuSE, you probably will not have any problems compiling this module, but it's possible that you may need to point to the Kino header location:

  
 ~tiger/timfx ./configure
 ~tiger/timfx make KINO INCLUDE=/opt/gnome/include
 ~tiger/timfx make install

Compiling dvtitler is a similar process--do not forget to load the grey-scaled images for the timfx Luma effect. They are located here. Knowing how these images work can help you develop your own interesting effects.

Tip: Using Packages from LJ FTP Site

In order to simplify installing all of these libraries, we created tarballs containing all the necessary packages for SuSE 9.1 and for Fedora Core 2. The SuSE 9.1 tarball can be found here, and the Fedora Core 2 tarball can be found here. Using these tarballs, we suggest the following procedure for installing Kino:

  1. Load all packages according to your distribution, as outlined in Tables 1 and 2. Some packages from the tables are not included in the standard distributions, and some of them we compiled specifically for use with Kino. To install them as root, issue the command rpm -i foo, where foo is the packages' filenames. To upgrade, use rpm -U foo instead.

  2. Try to install Kino with the command rpm -U foo, where foo is the Kino package name according to the distribution. It is kino-0.7.3-2.i586.rpm for SuSE and kino-0.7.3-2.i386.rpm for Fedora Core 2.

  3. If rpm complains that you missed something in the system, read the rpm output and install or upgrade the necessary programs.

  4. For SuSE, simply install timfx and dvtitler with rpm; use timfx-0.2.1-2.i586.rpm and dvtitler-0.1.1-1.i586.rpm. For Fedora Core 2, first install the two packages not available in the standard release, as noted in Table 3. After that, install the plugin packages, timfx-0.2.1-2.i386.rpm and dvtitler-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm.

Table 1. Packages for SuSE 9.1

SoftwarePackage
MJPEG Video Capture and Processing Toolsmjpegtools-1.6.2
The Quasar DV Codec for DV videolibdv-0.102
Library to Read and Write Quicktime Fileslibquicktime-0.9.2

Table 2. Packages for Fedora Core 2

SoftwarePackage
Sample Rate Converter Librarylibsamplerate-0.1.0
Library to Handle Various Audio File Formatslibsndfile-1.0.10
MJPEG Video Capture and Processing Toolsmjpegtools-1.6.2
Library to Read and Write Quicktime Fileslibquicktime-0.9.2

Table 3. Packages Needed for Installing on Fedora Core 2

SoftwarePackage
Typesafe Signal Framework for C++libsigc++-1.2.5
C++ Interface for GTK2gtkmm2-2.2.12
Tip: Kernel

To work with your camera through the IEEE1394 interface, you need drivers and devices supported by the kernel. Standard SuSE (9.0 and above) and Debian 3.1 have all of these things in their standard releases. Fedora Core 2 does not have them, so you have to update your Fedora installation to the new official Fedora kernel release, 2.6.8. You can download it here.

Tip: Devices and Modules

Before running Kino, check for IEEE1394 devices availability. Kino uses a device called /dev/ieee1394 for capturing and one called /dev/dv1394 for outputting. Issue ls -al /dev/*1394* to reflect your system. These files usually are created by MAKEDEV scripts that run while installing the system.

Having these devices is not the enough, however; you must have corresponding components in your system to work with them. SuSE provides these modules out of the box, while Fedora Core 2 offers them only after upgrading. MandrakeLinux release 9.2 also contains these modules.

You have to create /dev/dv1394 by hand. In case of PAL, the command is:


 mknod -m 666 /dev/dv1394 c 171 34

For NTSC, the command is slightly different:


 mknod -m 666 /dev/dv1394 c 171 32

Do not forget to load the module with modprobe dv1394. You can find more details about this part of the process by visiting linux1394.org.

Tip: Installing Software for Exporting Movies

On its own, Kino offers only minimal exporting features; you can use it to write a movie to a DV tape or to a .dv or dv .avi file. A dependency tree for exporting other functions is shown in Table 4. Packages marked in red are not included in the standard distributions, so you must load them from tarballs available for download from the LJ FTP site. Use rpm -i foo to install these packages. Start from the top (libogg) and go down (rawrec), according to the table.

Table 4: Dependencies for Exporting Movies

SoftwareSuSE 9.1Fedora Core 2
Ogg Bitstream Librarylibogg-1.1libogg-1.1
The Vorbis General Audio Compression Codeclibvorbis-1.0.1libvorbis-1.0.1
MP3 Encoderlame-3.96(red)lame-3.96(red)
Video and Audio Converterffmpeg-0.4.8(red)ffmpeg-0.4.8(red)
Library for Reading DVD-Video Imageslibdvdread-0.9.4libdvdread-0.9.4(red)
Library for Portable Network Graphics (PNG) Formatlibpng-1.2.5 libpng-1.2.5
Tools to Help You Author a DVDdvdauthor-0.6.10(red)dvdauthor-0.6.10(red)
Raw Audio Recording/Playing Utilities rawrec-0.9.98(red)rawrec-0.9.98(red)
Tip: Dropped Frames

Dropped frames often occur if the hardware is not working quickly enough. As a result, while capturing images the number of dropped frames increases constantly. As a temporary solution to dropped frames--before you install more memory or buy a new motherboard--try the following:

  1. Exit all X functions and re-run Kino with fvwm.

  2. Close X completely. Use dvgrab to pull all the files, and then assemble the movie with Kino using files grabbed in this way.

Tip: Be Careful with Effects

Many special effects in an amateur movie can distract viewers. Such effects should be applied only if you think they are needed to relay your ideas.

Kino with timfx provides the following video filters and effects: black and white, sepia, reverse video, mirror, kaleidescope, swap, color hold, blur and soft focus. Modern camcorders have such filters built-in, but we rarely use them while recording because if they are part of the actual image, it's much harder to undo them. It is a better idea to do this kind of filtering with Kino during the editing stage.

When you look at a filter's name, it usually is easy to guess what the filter does. Take a look at these images for some examples:

Figure 2. Image Before Filter

Figure 3. Image After Colour Hold Filter Applied

Figure 4. Image Before Filter

Figure 5. Image After Left-to-Right Filter Applied

Video transitions are images that join two scenes. The most interesting joining effect is Image Luma, because you can create your own filters. Examples of joining are represented below; we used standard files from the Kino site.

Figure 6. A Type of Joining Effect

Figure 7. As Applied to Image with Blur = 1

Figure 8. As Applied to Image with Blur = 0

Other transition options include Fade, Push Wipe, Bar Door Wipe and Differences. Experiment with them all until you find the ones you like.

Tip: Exporting a Movie

Although a digital camcorder can be used to show the exported movie on a TV screen, we do not recommend wasting the limited camcorder resources. Keep the full-quality version of the movie on a DV tape so you can work with it later.

Because the human eye barely can detect the difference between an MPEG 2 compressed movie and the original DV format when shown on a TV screen, making a DVD for general viewing is more useful.

The structure of a DVD is not simple. In general, it is possible to make a DVD that contains a movie, additional photos and so on, but this is a topic for another article. With Kino, you can build a simple DVD structure to use with a standalone DVD player.

Begin at the Export tab. Select DV Pipe and than choose the tool FFMPEG DVD-Video Export. In Profile, select Output Standard DVD-Video directory (All only); in cases of widescreen sources, use widescreen output. Next, type the output file name without any file extension. This name becomes the top name on the DVD directory tree. Press Export.

Exporting may take hours. We like to start the process before going to bed. When exporting is complete, you have the resulting DVD directory tree (VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS), named according to your input. You then can check the results with mplayer or xine.

Before burning the final DVD, you should make the image. We prefer to use the following command, assuming the name movie_dvd :


 mkisofs -dvd-video -o movie dvd.iso movie dvd

You have to burn this image; we usually use growisofs for this task:


growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=movie dvd.iso

The option -dvd-compat is used to provide maximum media compatibility.

You then can design your own image for the DVD label, print it out and put this new DVD into a real DVD box.

Tip: Making MPEG 4s from the DV File

If you have the movie saved as a .dv file, you easily can turn it into an MPEG 4 video and burn it to a CD. Because not all of our friends are Linux users yet, we prefer to export to an .avi MPEG 4 file.

To increase the quality of the video, we suggest using a two-step encoding process. For the first pass, use:


ffmpeg -i foo.dv -f dv -pass 1 -passlogfile foo -vcodec mpeg4 -g 
250 -qscale 2 -bf 2 -acodec mp3 foo.avi

For the second pass, use:


ffmpeg -f dv -i foo.dv -s 640x480 -4mv -part -strict strictness -pass 2  
-passlogfile foo -vcodec mpeg4 -g 250 -hq -bf 2 -b 1500  -acodec mp3 -ab 128
foo.avi

The input file, the output file and the log file in both of these steps must be the same. Also, you have to specify your desired bit-rate during the second pass. The larger the bit-rate you set, the better quality movie you will have. We cannot suggest a value, however; it usually is based on the size of the requested file. You can repeat the encoding a few times, though. Start with a high bit-rate, and if you are not satisfied with the size, decrease the rate and repeat. Do not forget check the quality as you go.

Processing the file takes some time. Depending on the size of the movie, it can take more than five hours for one step. In the example above, we used PAL sources. If you have NTCS instead of PAL, use -g 300 rather than -g 250. Play with the options and have fun!

Olexiy Tykhomyrov (tiger@ff.dsu.dp.ua) has been using Linux since 1994. He works for the Department of Experimental Physics at Dnepropetrovsk National University and teaches physics and communications. He loves his son Misha, who calls him Tiger because some of his students are afraid him. Tiger likes swimming and traveling.

Denis Tonkonog, a former student of Tiger, also works at Dnepropetrovsk National University and likes traveling and fishing with a gun. Friends call him Black Cat but nobody explains why. He can be reached by e-mail at denis@ff.dsu.dp.ua.

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joao's picture

I can't install timfx

On February 2nd, 2005 joao (not verified) says:

Hi,

I tried everything but timfx doesn't work, I run the .rpm, it says all teh dependencies are satisfied, it installs with no problem. When I go inside Kino and open the FX dropdown the new options from timfx are not there.

any idea?
Joao

emk's picture

converting mpeg/avi to dv

On January 13th, 2005 emk (not verified) says:

I have a digital camera that also takes short videos in avi format. I'd like to edit these in Kino. Is there any way to convert these to dv? I have converted some to mpeg with ffmpeg. However the documentation does not explain how to convert to dv.

I would imagine that this would be useful for many people.

Help anyone?

emk

Anonymous's picture

First, start A new project

On March 19th, 2007 Anonymous (not verified) says:

First, start A new project and save it the name you want. Make sure that you have set the tmp directory to a place that has enough memory. Next, click on the "Insert a file befor the current seen" button. Select the file you wish to convert. You should get a dialog box asking you if you'd like to convert the file to a DV file. Click Yes. Wait untill the progress window closes. Now, go to the same place you're origonal file was located. There should be the converted dv file. Things should go smoothly from there.

PS: If something doesn't work, you might want to load Kino in the terminal window. That way, you can see any errors that might happen. I just spent a few hours trying to convert an avi file and then realized that it was creating the file on my SD card. (The dv file was almost tripple the size of the original AVI file and didn't have enough room for it to be created on the card.)

--

But seriously though.. They REALLY need some better documentation on the kino website. I just downloaded this program today and couldn't get it to work for the longest time. I can't believe that it was something so simple. O_O;

Anonymous's picture

First, start A new project

On March 19th, 2007 Anonymous (not verified) says:

First, start A new project and save it the name you want. Make sure that you have set the tmp directory to a place that has enough memory. Next, click on the "Insert a file befor the current seen" button. Select the file you wish to convert. You should get a dialog box asking you if you'd like to convert the file to a DV file. Click Yes. Wait untill the progress window closes. Now, go to the same place you're origonal file was located. There should be the converted dv file. Things should go smoothly from there.

PS: If something doesn't work, you might want to load Kino in the terminal window. That way, you can see any errors that might happen. I just spent a few hours trying to convert an avi file and then realized that it was creating the file on my SD card. (The dv file was almost tripple the size of the original AVI file and didn't have enough room for it to be created on the card.)

--

But seriously though.. They REALLY need some better documentation on the kino website. I just downloaded this program today and couldn't get it to work for the longest time. I can't believe that it was something so simple. O_O;

Anonymous's picture

I know. The silence is deafe

On September 14th, 2005 Anonymous (not verified) says:

I know. The silence is deafening - not a single solution anywhere on the internet. The whole entire video topic is a screaming bloody digusting mess - front to back - left to right.
If someone could sort it out that would be very very great.
Right now it totally sucks.

Steve's picture

Video is an important missing ingredient

On October 15th, 2005 Steve (not verified) says:

No kidding. Linux could be a first rate video processing tool. But instead it almost unusable.

Trivial tasks like converting a DVD to MP4 or editing a home movie are almost impossible. Heck, you can't even watch a DVD, how do you expect that to be taken seriously in the real world?

Come on google, IMB, ubuntu, HP, Sun etc etc - this is a problem that needs to be solved. It is very sad to see such a beautiful operating system in such an unusable state because of a few licensing issues.

You can buy a DVD player for a few bucks these days. The manufacturer had to deal with both mpegla and css. How difficult could it be for the might of the OS community to solve they same legal problems on Linux?

Steve

Steve's picture

Video is an importand missing ingedient

On October 15th, 2005 Steve (not verified) says:

No kidding. Linux could be a first rate video processing tool. But instead it almost unusable.

Trivial tasks like converting a DVD to MP4 or editing a home movie are almost impossible. Heck, you can't even watch a DVD, how do you expect that to be taken seriously in the real world?

Come on google, IMB, ubuntu, HP, Sun etc etc - this is a problem that needs to be solved. It is very sad to see such a beautiful operating system in such an unusable state because of a few licensing issues.

You can buy a DVD player for a few bucks these days. The manufacturer had to deal with both mpegla and css. How difficult could it be for the might of the OS community to solve they same legal problems on Linux?

Steve

Anonymous's picture

Can't find dvtitler

On January 2nd, 2005 Anonymous (not verified) says:

Thank for your articles.
I'm on SuSE 9.2. I can't find the latest source or a SuSE9.2 rpm anywhere for dvtitler. I get a 404 on trying to download from http://kino.schirmacher.de/article/view/79/1/11/ . I therefore tried the rpm for SuSE9.1 from
http://www.ictp.trieste.it/~tiger/kino.html
But it does not appear to work because I do not get the dvtitler UI option as shown in figure 8 on page 60 of the LinuxJournal Dec 2004.
How does Kino find plugins? The above rpm installed dvtitler in /usr/lib/kino-gtk2/. On SuSE 9.2 Kino is installed under /opt/gnome/ and has config file ~/.gnome2/kino. I was hoping in the latter to find something like plugin= but no luck.

Anonymous's picture

Replying to my own posting -

On January 2nd, 2005 Anonymous (not verified) says:

Replying to my own posting - here's what I did to add dvtitler to Kino on SuSE9.2. Maybe helpful to someone else - it would have been to me.

First I downloaded dvtitler-0.1.1.tar.gz to my home directory.
Then I built dvtitler for install in directory /opt/dvtitler from a Konsole window as follows

cd
rm -rf dvtitler-0.1.1
tar xvfz dvtitler-0.1.1.tar.gz
cd dvtitler-0.1.1
./configure --prefix=/opt/dvtitler CPPFLAGS=-I/opt/gnome/include
make

The "configure" and "make" errored on my first attempts because of various missing packages. I installed those using YaST and then repeated the above steps.

Lastly I installed dvtitler as follows
su
make install

Kino looks in directory kino-gtk2 in /opt/gnome/lib for plugins. This appears to be the only mechanism. I therefore added a symlink from there to where it actually is as follows
ln -s /opt/dvtitler/lib/kino-gtk2 /opt/gnome/lib/
exit

The dvtitler UI option in Kino is at the bottom of the popup menu that shows when clicking the bar under "Video Filter" under the "FX" tab. I tried it and it works. Nice.

I started on the same for timfx but it requires as lot more packages installed before it will build successfully. I'll defer for now.

Rick's picture

plugin directory

On November 3rd, 2005 Rick (not verified) says:

well done , I had a similar problem after successfully compiling dvtitler in not being able to findit! On my own system the following was needed to create the appropriate symbolic link.(SuSE 9.2 x86-64)

ln -s /usr/local/lib/kino-gtk2 /opt/gnome/lib64/

Thanks heaps

Rick

Anonymous's picture

timfx

On January 22nd, 2005 Anonymous (not verified) says:

In the above I said I'd defer timfx for now. I just finished installing it on SuSE9.2. Here's what I did. It's not that much or hard after all.
The biggest trouble is that timfx requires 3 packages that neither SuSE nor anyone else offers readily available for install on SuSE9.2. They are the ones listed at the bottom of
http://www.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vaeth/specs/
Thank you very much to the author for that page which I followed.

First download the source packages from
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gtkmm/2.4/gtkmm-2.4.8.tar.bz2
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/glibmm/2.4/glibmm-2.4.5.tar.bz2
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/libsigc++/2.0/libsigc++-2.0.6.tar.bz2
to
/usr/src/packages/SOURCES/

Then download the associated spec files from the above page
http://www.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vaeth/specs/gtkmm2.4.spec
http://www.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vaeth/specs/libsigc++2.0.spec
http://www.mathematik.uni-wuerzburg.de/~vaeth/specs/glibmm.spec
to
/usr/src/packages/SPECS/

Then build the src.rpm's
cd /usr/src/packages/SPECS
rpmbuild -bs gtkmm2.4.spec
rpmbuild -bs libsigc++2.0.spec
rpmbuild -bs glibmm.spec

Next build the binary rpm's (i686 fits my CPU. Omit --target=i686 if unsure)
rpmbuild -bb gtkmm2.4.spec --target=i686
rpmbuild -bb libsigc++2.0.spec --target=i686
rpmbuild -bb glibmm.spec --target=i686

Finally install the rpm's
cd /usr/src/packages/RPMS/i686
rpm -Uvh glibmm-2.4.5-0.mv.0.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm
rpm -Uvh glibmm-devel-2.4.5-0.mv.0.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm
rpm -Uvh gtkmm2.4-2.4.8-0.mv.0.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm
rpm -Uvh gtkmm2.4-devel-2.4.8-0.mv.0.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm
rpm -Uvh libsigc++2.0-2.0.6-0.mv.1.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm
rpm -Uvh libsigc++2.0-devel-2.0.6-0.mv.1.SuSE_9.2.i686.rpm

Next, build timfx much like dvtitler.
First I downloaded timfx-0.2.2.tar.gz from the link at the bottom of
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kino/
to my home directory.
Then I built it for install in /opt/timfx as follows

cd
rm -rf timfx-0.2.2
tar xvfz timfx-0.2.2.tar.gz
cd timfx-0.2.2
./configure --prefix=/opt/timfx
KINO_INCLUDE=/opt/gnome/include make

As with dvtitler, if the above complains because of other missing packages then
install those packages using YaST and repeat the above starting at "cd".

Lastly, I installed it
su
make install

As with dvtitler, because I chose to install in /opt/timfx rather than /opt/gnome (because of fear of what the install of a new and unknown program may do to my system) then a symlink is necessary from where Kino expects to find plugins to where they actually are
ln -s /opt/timfx/lib/kino-gtk2/libtimfx.so /opt/gnome/lib/kino-gtk2
exit

Alternatively, if I'd used --prefix=/opt/gnome then timfx would have gotten installed where Kino expects to find it leaving no need for a symlink.

Correction: The symlink command I used for dvtitler should have been
ln -s /opt/dvtitler/lib/kino-gtk2/libdvtitler.so /opt/gnome/lib/kino-gtk2

monica's picture

can't download libsigc2.0

On November 6th, 2007 monica (not verified) says:

COuld you pls help me download libsigc 2.0-0.dll--or?---I keep getting this mssg -that I need libsig--pls help?---my e/mail address id m17j@netzero.net--Thanks!!! Monica

Anonymous's picture

I looked a little closer and

On January 2nd, 2005 Anonymous (not verified) says:

I looked a little closer and found dvtitler here http://sourceforge.net/projects/dvtitler/
and timfx here
http://sourceforge.net/projects/kino/

TheWeb's picture

Out of the Tip: Using Package

On November 29th, 2004 TheWeb (not verified) says:

Out of the Tip: Using Packages from LJ FTP Site above:

"For SuSE, simply install timfx and dvtitler with rpm; use timfx-0.2.1-2.i586.rpm and dvtitler-0.1.1-1.i586.rpm. For Fedora Core 2, first install the two packages not available in the standard release, as noted in Table 3. After that, install the plugin packages, timfx-0.2.1-2.i386.rpm and dvtitler-0.1.1-1.i386.rpm."

There is no timfx.rpm nor dvdtitler.rpm within the Suse package?
And I can't find those rpm's at the ftp-site (ftp://ftp.ssc.com/pub/lj/). There are only the files according table 1??
Please advize.

Tnx for this nice article.
Might even consider to subscribe!

Regards,

Denys Tonkonog's picture

Where you can find these packages

On December 10th, 2004 Denys Tonkonog (not verified) says:

Please have a look here:

http://www.ictp.trieste.it/~tiger/kino.html

Yours Olexiy TYkhomyrov and Denys Tonkonog

Anonymous's picture

Video card drivers

On November 15th, 2004 Anonymous (not verified) says:

Make sure you have drivers installed for your video card. Fedora Core 2, for example, was using a generic driver for my video card. The manufacturer's driver was much faster. Check the manufacturer's web site for drivers.

Anonymous's picture

Kino

On November 10th, 2004 Anonymous (not verified) says:

This is more of a question than a comment. I have a very usable Sony High 8 video camera (non digital) and quite a few reels of tape. Can I use Kino to edit my videos? What type of video card can I use instead of the IEEE1394 (firewire) interface?

Chris A.'s picture

Get a cheap (maybe used) miniDV camcorder

On January 11th, 2005 Chris A. (not verified) says:

Most the the new miniDV cameras have a "pass through" feature where you can connect an analog signal to the camera and it will "pass it through" ot the IEEE1394 output. In terms of quality I've not seen a better video analog to digital converter than my Sony camera. Expensive?? Well maybe but a used and usable camera can be bought for about $250.00 There is no need to buy a top of the line camera for use on your desk. The quality is the same. Also I've found that miniDV camera make _very_ excelent audio recorder and analog converter. A cheap used camera for use at the computer may actually pay for itself in reduced wear the taer on your expensive shooting camera. Unlike analog cameras, a low end digital camera will perform playback functions _exactly_ as well as the high end camera.

Will's picture

Kino input

On December 16th, 2004 Will (not verified) says:

You asked about using something else for inputting video other than ieee1394... I've found that once you get it working, it's almost flawless. I've been using the ADS pyro a/v link, which gives you ieee1394 both in and out, and it's been wonderful.

I've used the V4L setup, but it doesn't work as smoothly and effortlessly (once it's up and running, of course) as ieee1394 does. It drops frames, and frequently doesn't sync properly, up to a couple of seconds off, in my experience.

The pyro device has both composite ins and outs on it, so either way will work, and I've seen them for well under a hundred $$. I personally recommend it over the V4L approach.

My 2Cents...

Anonymous's picture

Expensive Solution

On November 18th, 2004 Anonymous (not verified) says:

If you buy a Sony Digital 8 video camera, it will convert regular 8mm and High 8 tapes to a DV IEEE1394 output stream on the fly.

Mads Bondo Dydensborg's picture

Use an analog to DV grabber

On November 13th, 2004 Mads Bondo Dydensborg (not verified) says:

Hi there

Lots of people recommend the analog to DV converter products from Canopus. Check the e.g. mjpeg mailing lists for more info.

Mads

Anonymous's picture

analog video

On November 10th, 2004 Anonymous (not verified) says:

There are several video capture cards on the market and many are supported by the Video4Linux subsystem.

The process would be analog to AVI (using a codec of your choosing), then AVI to MPEG using Kino (and associated tools).

HTH.

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On November 10th, 2004 Steve (not verified) says:

Remember Google is your friend

Type "Hi8 camcorder capture computer" into google and press "I'm Feeling Lucky"!

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