WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

What's available in Corels' WordPerfect 8 Linux and how can you get it?

Since late last year, Corel quietly has been offering a WordPerfect 8 Linux program on its eBay Corel Store site. I found out about this only when a Corel WP8/Linux newsgroupie reported finding a curious comment about WP8 while searching the Corel support site for some information.

Screen shot.

I thought the software, like the other surplus applications listed on the Corel Store site, was old WP8 Personal Edition. I already had WP8 Personal Edition and WP8.1, the later version that came with Corel Linux Deluxe, and needed another copy like a hole in the head. After some other newsgroupies reported their conversations with Corel customer service, however, I was curious enough to order one. Apparently, I got the last one too, as the listing disappeared shortly after I ordered, much to the distress of other Corel WP8/Linux newsgroup readers. People interested in getting a copy can check the eBay Corel Store site for availability.

In preparation for testing the "new" WP8, I made a new installation of Libranet 2.8.1 and deliberately left out the WP8 Compatibility Package. Libranet 2.8.1 installs libc5 and some other old libs WP8 needs. SuSE also provides compatibility--shlibs5--but it also is not installed by default. I wanted to see if this mysterious new release had been recompiled. That was wishful thinking, though. The "new" WP8 is still libc5 dependent. It did install, though, and it now runs on my Libranet 2.8.1 without the aforementioned compatibility package.

The installation routine is reminiscent of WP8, by script, and you have to enter a license key. Missing from the installer were language options other than English (UK, US, CA and OZ) and French (CA and National). Dutch, German, Italian and Spanish users seemed to be out of luck, but not entirely, as I found out after some tinkering. More about this later. Also missing is the printer setup step, but there is a reason for that too.

Installation took less than three minutes. The default installation directory is /usr/wplinux, but this can be edited. A nice icon appeared on my desktop. On the root desktop, a second icon to open WP8 in administration mode is posted. A listing also is added to the KDE Start Applications menu.

Browsing the odd-looking wplauncher script in /wpbin revealed the secret: this version provides its own compatibility libraries and installs them as /usr/i386-compat-gnulibc1/lib. It puts a script named xwp in /usr/bin that points to /wpbin/wplauncher, which sets a library path where WP8 can find its needed libs. In all, it's a smooth and fast installation.

Upon starting WP8, which still happens faster than any other Linux word processor with comparable abilities, I noticed the logo graphics were the same as they were for WP8.1. The xwp executable is the same size as for WP8.1, about 0.2 MB bigger than the original. It has the same program release date as WP8.1: 11/1/99. Other file dates are September 2003.

To start my test, I opened a MS Word file. It opened; the Filtrix file conversion utility that died September 9, 2001, from the UNIX one-billion-second bug was functional. Unfortunately, it still is limited to MS Word 97 and earlier files. There are no new MS Word formats more recent than Word 97.

I then printed my document. The printer configuration is set up by default for Passthru Postscript and uses the WPSpool destination. Newbies should find this version ready to print, more or less, and that set up will work for many printers. I noticed no printer drivers are available other than those provided with WP8.1. That is not unpardonable; DOS printer drivers for WP are being updated and posted for download. They can be used with Linux with only an insignificant modification, a file name change. (Acknowledgement and thanks to Edward Mendelson for keeping WP printing up to date, see Resources.) To print WP8 with a specified printer driver, you need to print raw. Either create a raw printer with CUPS or add -oraw in the little LPR Options box in the Select Destinations dialog. I like printing with WP8; it is much faster than CUPS.

The CD includes 130 fonts that can be installed after WP8 is set up. The font installer still is a bit complicated for the uninitiated, but a Readme in ~/wplinux/wpbin explains how to use it. Newcomers to WP8 sometimes are disappointed by the display appearance of WP8's Type1 fonts, but they print beautifully.

This version of WP8 provides language support only for English (US, UK, CA and OZ) and French (CA and National) as previously noted. After a bit of tinkering, I figured out how to install the old WP8 download version's localization packages. These still are available for the missing Dutch, German, Italian and Spanish. See Rick Moen's encyclopedic WPFaq for a detailed discussion.

I have all of the language tarballs. They were included on a CD with Special Edition: Using WordPerfect 8 for Linux, by Rod Smith. This is a shameless plug for Rod's book, now out of print. It is an excellent source of useful wisdom for WP8 users. After untarring the German language package, I ran the Runme script and encountered that old nightmare WP8 users are familiar with. The graphic installer balked for want of libm.so.5.

I knew how to housebreak this puppy. I edited /etc/ld.so.conf and added a line for the compatibility directory:

 /usr/i386-compat-gnulibc1/lib 

and then ran ldconfig, as root, of course. The language module installer ran. I unselected English--it's already there--and selected German. It installed without complaint. I then ran xwp -lang de, und dann schrieb ich auf Deutsch. Erfolg! German spell check and thesaurus worked. The language module changes the start logo to the old WP8 style, but it still is the new version running. Unfortunately, the German dictionary is not compliant with recent orthography changes.

For my last test I tried to make my KDE Address Book open in WP8, but it does not work. This feature seems to work only with KDE 1.x, and it has not been updated. This is a serious hindrance to many users who need quick access to correspondents' particulars.

Now, the only thing Corel needs to do is make this usable version of an old friend available to the public. Even without new features, WP8 still is the only Linux word processor with make-it-fit capabilities. And experienced WP users make good use of its easy-to-create macros. It is hard to see how Corel could test the market interest in this spruced-up version of an old favorite without telling anyone. Anyhow, it's public knowledge now, so if you want this improved version of WordPerfect 8 for Linux, let Corel know.

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WordPerfect Office and Linux now?

BSW's picture

I am planning on Starting up a consulting business and am needing to run WP office on Linux, is there anyone out there using a virtualization program or WINE recently with WPO 2002 or WPO X3? I would like to get away from having the MS solutions, I cannot afford to get all of the licensing and will not make the worst decision to start with --being held hostage to MS's innovation in my business. *Please email me what you think would be a good recommendation. email address is backwards
ten.deriwria@smailliws

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Corel now sells wp linux from it's website due to a change in ebays rules(or somthing like that)

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Corel2/Products/Home&pid...

Now that I look again, it's not available, though it was a month ago. :(

Re: WordPerfect 8 on sale again Apr 15

Frank_B's picture

Got these links from the Corel newsgroup this morning.

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5183642.html

http://news.com.com/2100-1012_3-5183642.html

Frank.

WordPerfect 9.0 AKA WordPerfect 2000 for Linux

Anonymous's picture

I am not sure if anyone realizes this or not, but WP9 for Linux exists. I bought it from a Brick and Mortar inn 2000. It is not native, and runs under a special version of WINE modified by Corel. It was sluggish when I used to run it on my K62 366 box, but It would probably be nice on a modern processor.

I tried WP8, and it is UGLY, but functional. WP2000 is great and not UGLY!!

BTW this is not just WP, but Quattro Pro (spreadsheet) and the full office sweet too!

Re: WordPerfect 9.0 AKA WordPerfect 2000 for Linux

Anonymous's picture

WP9. part of WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux, and the rest of the WPO2KL apps do not run on current Linux releases using glibc 2.3.2.

Until backward compatibility is built into glibc 2.3.x, and no more show stopper changes are made, users of WPO2KL will have to make do with older Linux releases.

Leon A. Goldstein

Re: WordPerfect 9.0 AKA WordPerfect 2000 for Linux

Anonymous's picture

Couldn't you just build an old version of glibc in say /usr/local/corel/oldglibc?

Wouldn't that owrk??

Re: WordPerfect 9.0 AKA WordPerfect 2000 for Linux

Anonymous's picture

It does not work for me, yet. I have tried setting the environment path to old glibc. I had to extract the glibc payload from the RPM and copy it manually. You can't just install another RPM or Deb package; it will either fail to install, or if you use --force, will install over the existing version.

You can keep abreast of this by subscribing to the Corel WPO2KL news group (cnews.corel.com)

Leon A. Goldstein

Re: WordPerfect 9.0 AKA WordPerfect 2000 for Linux

Frank_B's picture

I'll let Leon respond to that, as he has a better grasp of this than I do.

However, the question is, why would anyone want to? WINE is full of promise, but WAY short on delivery, and WPO2KL is simply Windows code that ran on a custom version of WINE. WINE is a stopgap at best, and even when WPO2KL did work, it never worked well. It was buggy and crashed often.

If one really needs the whole suite on Linux, Win4Lin is a MUCH better way of doing it. You can run any of the more modern releases of the WP suite on it in a very stable and satisfying way. The catch is that you also need a copy of Win95 or 98 to do so, and it is still a stopgap measure.

The ultimate solution, however, is to port the applications to native Linux. This release of the pilot for WordPerfect is a NATIVE Linux product. We hope that it is just the beginning of getting the whole suite ported.

They will be selling more of the pilot on the Corel online store starting on April 15 (www.corel.com). If they sell a bundle of them, then perhaps we can hope for more Linux development from Corel. Now, THAT would be nice! :)

Frank.

Hope Corel has a modern version soon - OpenOffice sucks

Anonymous's picture

I've been a WP users since version 4.2. I've written large manuals and have had secretarial jobs using both WP and MS Office. I hate Microsoft Office. Unfortunately OpenOffice feels like an older, clumsy version of it. A good WP substitute and a good (Auto)CAD substitute are the two items keeping me from becoming 100% Linux. Maybe that will change someday?

StephenC.

Re: Hope Corel has a modern version soon - OpenOffice sucks

Anonymous's picture

There is a fantastic CAD program for Linux. VariCAD, it is much better than AutoCAD, I think. I like it much better than Pro-E. New utilities are added on a regular basis. http://www.varicad.com
tia. matt

Re: Hope Corel has a modern version soon - OpenOffice sucks

Frank_B's picture

I'm with you, Stephen! Now we need to get the folks at Corel to respond. May I suggest a snail mail letter to the president of Corel to ask him for this product?

Corel Corporation
1600 Carling Avenue
Ottawa, Ontario
Canada
K1Z 8R7

Frank.

Corel is in Microsoft's pocket now

Anonymous's picture

Where have you been? MS hijacked Corel using Paul Allen's venture capital firm Vector in a rapid corporate takeover thanks to colluding Corel management already last year.

http://corelrescue.com/MS-Connection.html

If you expect those people to have any good intentions wrt Linux, good luck!

This WP8 "refresh" is a two-week rebuild job for one uninitiated guy and apparently only targeted at obfuscating the new privately-owned Corel's anticompetive tracks. Perhaps thanks to the much-publicized SCO deal the feds are finally closing in on Microsoft's cunning Investment and Business Strategy unit!?

Re: Corel is in Microsoft's pocket now

Anonymous's picture

While I have no illusions about the extent of MS's manipulating the market, that link you posted reads like the National Enquirer.

Time will tell, I guess.

WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set

Anonymous's picture

I have a WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set that I got from Corel at a LinuxWorld Expo some time back. It retailed for $499. I tried to sell it on eBay for much less and had no takers. Seems that no one is interested in WP anymore. Too bad; it is a fantastic word processor. I wish Corel had stayed with Linux development.

junkemail@mailcan.com

Re: WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set

Anonymous's picture

Is this the version that has the character terminal interface option?
If so, have you ever tried it?

Re: WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set

Anonymous's picture

No - just graphic interface. Only the network version of WP8/Linux had the classic character interface.

Leon A. Goldstein

Re: WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set

Anonymous's picture

>I wish Corel had stayed with Linux development.<

I thought this article showed that they were back at it. If you like WP, then write and tell them so. Linux and users as a whole will all benefit from a diversity of apps, whether you personally use it or not.

Frank.

Re: WP8 for Unix/Linux Boxed Set

Frank_B's picture

WP9/WordPerfect Office 2000 is not a native Linux product, but rather the Windows version that runs on a custom version of WinE. It is very unstable -- so unstable, in fact, that a person is better running a current copy of the Windows suite on Win4Lin.

The WP8 references are to the old WP8 that came with Corel Linux. This IS a NATIVE Linux product, but it has some installer problems, and won't run on modern distros without adding some of the older support libraries. Adding these libraries can 'break' the distro for other modern applications.

The product mentioned in the Linux Journal article is a NATIVE Linux application. Old, it may be, but much better than the Office 2000/WinE combination. It has fixed the installer, the filtrix import filter for Word97, and includes the necessary support libraries, installing them in such a way that WordPerfect for Linux can find and use them, but yet they will not interfere with the rest of a modern distro. It also comes with 130 fonts. While the WP8 that came with Corel Linux installs easily on Debian systems, it is a royal pain to get it going on RPM types. Again, the new WordPerfect mentioned in this Linux Journal article will install and run easily on RPM type systems, the same as it will on Debian. No hoops to jump through.

Frank.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Here is the state-of-the-art screen shot of OpenOffice.org.

Notice: Appearance "wise": fonts + kde styles (themes), + kde icon themes + kde dialogs + kde print system + KOffice 2.0 will also use OOo file formats. So, really, why do we need wordperfect ??

http://www.suse.de/en/company/press/services/images/screenshots/sl_91/pe...

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Revenue is down dude. You should spend less time posting and more time working. :P

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Why do we need WordPerfect?

Because Word uses a completely different paradigm, and is crap.

OpenOffice copies that paradigm, and is crap by association.

WordPerfect is just perfect :-) it thinks the way I do, not forcing me to work the way it does :-)

Cheers,
Wol

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Well, I would not have put it quite as bluntly, but the observation that WP "thinks the way I do, not forcing me to work the way it does" is probably WP's main attraction to me too. That is why I use it, and try to keep it usable.

WP8 gives me, in addition to a near intuitive user interface:
1. Easy macro creation
2. Powerful, and straight forward to use, formatting tools
3. Fast and reliable printing.

As I pointed out in my article, only WP8, among the current word processor offerings in Linux, has "make it fit" I use this feature regularly; it is very capable and seems to be more effective than the MS Word utility (in Windows.)

At issue is the availability of features that help the writer get his work done. Every current word processor has an abundance of features, some unique to the particular program. However, these features are irrelevant if you don't use them.

In fairness to OO, and Star Office that begat it, both WP8 and Star Office were available at the dawn ( or at least morning) of Linux and made it a platform for getting useful work done, and not just a curiosity for computer enthusiasts. I keep a copy of SO6 on my system, and use it to open MS Word documents that WP8 cannot handle. The WP8 Filtrix file converter will gag on a MS Word document with an embedded table.

WP8 has some unique, and to me indispensable features, but it also has some shortcomings. Fortunately, other native Linux apps can fill the occasional void. Honorable mention goes to Abiword, recent releases of which now provide quite robust WP file import and export capability.

Some mention is appropriate for WordPerfect Office 2000 for Linux. I got a version last year that appears to be somewhat more reliable than the original release. It is no longer available, however. WPO2KL's future is uncertain, since it is incompatible with the curent glibc (libc6 2.3.2). That is why I made no mention of it in my article.

And thanks for reading it, and the comments!

Leon A. Goldstein

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Try Openoffice 1.1.1

1. Easy macro creation
- Is available

2. Powerful, and straight forward to use, formatting tools
- Try using "styles" in OpernOffice

3. Fast and reliable printing.
- Add that pdf export for word and macromedia flash export for
presentations.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Frank_B's picture

Hey, man, this is reminiscent of the 'language wars' of days gone by when someone touted 'his' (or 'her') preferred programming language because it could do this and that and the other thing. No one wins those discussions.

The thing is, they can all do that -- they just do it in different ways. No one is knocking OO. It is a good product, so feel good using it. I use it, and so does the author of this article.

You seem to be missing the point here. Another product in the marketplace gives more choice. We're not all alike. Live and let live. Why not be happy that we have that choice?

Frank.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

See screen shot of Windows. Fonts, screens, File Manager, Internet Explorer, Outlook.

So why do we need Linux?

Frank.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

Okay that is Linux vs. Windows argument, and I don't see how that compares a robust and fast evolving 100% native office suite with a half-baked, half-hearted native option.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Frank_B's picture

>I don't see how that compares a robust and fast evolving 100% native office suite with a half-baked, half-hearted native option.<

Corel was publishing a complete Linux on the desktop package a long time ago. I hardly consider that half-baked. They were a few years ahead of the market, and it bombed. That doesn't mean the product is no good.

What is exciting is that we have some movement in the Linux arena from a major commercial software house. There is now more choice. If this PILOT release gets some positive attention, we can certainly expect a much more modern updated version. WordPerfect is a truly full-featured product. You don't really realize how full until you begin to do something complicated with it, and find out that it will do it without breaking a sweat.

OO is a good product. I use it. But it is slow and feature limited at the moment. Will it get better? Of course! And I look forward to that.

I prefer WordPerfect, however. I don't like the heavy use of styles in formatting that Word/OO require, as I find it slows me down. Is there anything wrong with having a choice?

Thing is, there is no need to knock diversity in the marketplace. Isn't Linux all about choice to begin with?

Frank.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

> So, really, why do we need wordperfect ??

What we need is diversity and freedom of choice. That's what I didn't have in Windows-space, and that's what I fled to in Linux-space.

That's why we need WordPerfect.

Fixes for WordPerfect 8 for Redhat 9.0

Anonymous's picture

To run WordPerfect 8 on Redhat 9.0 you need two Redhat 6.2 compatibilty libraries, you need to install ld.so-1.9.5-13.i386.rpm and libc-5.3.12-31.i386.rpm from Redhat 6.2 and filtrix filter patch from http://olivier.pk.wau.nl/~valentyn/wp8fix/

Re: Fixes for WordPerfect 8 for Redhat 9.0

Anonymous's picture

The point of this release is that you DON'T have to do those things anymore. The new release addresses all of those problems.

Frank.

Remember when WordPerfect 8.0 for Linux was free.

Anonymous's picture

I remember downloading WordPerfect 8.0 for Linux. It only ran for 30 days. WordPerfect offered a free deal where if you filled a web form, you would get the license key to run WordPerfect 8.0. I am still running WordPerfect 8.0 under Redhat 9.0. I had to download two old compatibility libraries from Redhat 6.2 and download a patch for a filtrix problem. I wonder if WordPerfect 8.0 will still work when I migrate to Fedora in a couple of months.

I can't get it working on Fed

Anonymous's picture

I can't get it working on Fedora Core 3 after several hours of time invested. The X11 version will launch, but complains about not being able to launch a process, wpexc. It does launch wpexc, but I think it has trouble communicating with it due to some socket changes in the kernel... After all, this was a 2.0.16 compatible product if I recall... Anyway, no joy here, hope you have more luck.

Re: Remember when WordPerfect 8.0 for Linux was free.

Frank_B's picture

Remember when bread was 5 cents/loaf, when gas was 20 cents/gallon?

Remember also that the free version was a crippled product. This new one is not. It is old, and needs a lot of work yet, but it runs on new distros, and has full font support, as well as 130 fonts. It is exciting that a major software house like Corel, who tried to get Linux on the desktop ahead of their time, is willing to take a swing at it again.

There will continue to be free as in 'gratis' software available for Linux. For a lot of people that is good enough. However, commercial-grade software is still in short supply, and I certainly can't run a business on it yet. OO is good, but is still in early development, and is very slow. We will all benefit from work by a wider variety of developers. Not all of us can do this for free.

And, yes, the new version should run on Red Hat without further modification, or jumping through hoops (although I have not checked that out yet). This was the whole point of this pilot project.

Frank.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

I've joined the Linux world only recently, having bought Xandros 1.0 about a year ago, and I'm now using 2.0. I just plain REFUSE to buy another MS operating system. They are trying to force me to upgrade from Win98 (at about $250 CAD per machine, and I have 5 of them), which they keep threatening to dump. Well, I'm dumping them instead. If I have to upgrade, I'm going with Linux.

I've been using WP since the days of 4.2, having bought 5.0, 5.1, 6.0 (DOS, I think), 8.0 and 10.0. I bought Corel Linux at a discount house in order to obtain the previous Linux version of WordPerfect. I use WordPerfect both at home, and in my small business doing invoicing.

My invoicing system is a 'kludge,' but it works for me. Each invoice is a separate file. I can create an index for all these files (up to 150/month) and search them quickly using WordPerfect's search feature.

The invoices make extensive use of of columns and tables, and graphic boxes. Being able to mix them at different places ON THE SAME PAGE is important to my formatting.

Being able to 'squash' tables by reducing cell heights, and use fractional line spacing is also important to getting everything on the page, where I want it.

I have access to features like 'printer advance' that allow me to accurately place text exactly where I want it on a page. This sort of control is what is usually found in DTP packages, not a word processor.

I make extensive use of macros to 'cut and paste' information from the invoices to a large table that I use in place of a spreadsheet.

The large number of math functions is invaluable, as well as being able to link to other tables in the same document.

Yes, this probabaly should be done in a spreadsheet. However, I am familiar with WP, and it has formatting options far superior to anything that I have been able to find in a spreadsheet. It is the COMBINATION of these features that makes it so appealing to me.

I've used OO, and while it is capable, it is slow. The heavy reliance on styles I find gets in my way. WP allows me to use styles, or not.

This announcement of renewed interest at Corel in the Linux desktop is the most welcome news I have had in years. I wish them well, and my wallet is open. Now, can we get Quattro and Paradox in a native port as well?

Thanks for posting this article. I hope you get MANY hits, and that folks will write Corel and ask for more development in this area.

You can reach the contact person for this section at:

Greg Wood (greg.wood@corel.com, 613-728-0826 ext. 1865)"

Frank Billington.

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

So, let's see, where can I find WordPerfect for Linux?
Amazon, maybe?
Wordperfect Unix/Linux

"Wordperfect Unix/Linux
Corel

Platform: Windows 95, Windows 98"

Oy, WordPerfect for Unix/Linux requires the Windows 95 or 98 platform...

Re: WordPerfect 8 for Linux Redux?

Anonymous's picture

The only place the updated WP8 was available was the Corel Store on eBay. At the time I ordered, the WP8 and other old apps, including Mac programs, were listed. They were available for direct purchase at very attractive prices. The WP8 cost $10 + $10 shipping.

FWIW Here is a quoted message from a Corel customer service rep; it was posted on the Corel WP8/Linux newsgroup by its recipient.

"Hi XXXX,

Thanks for your feedback! We are currently making some changes to
the way we work our online sales, which is why WordPerfect for
Linux isn't on eBay at this time. We remain committed to
advancing our WordPerfect for Linux proof of concept product and
your support is much appreciated.
Stay tuned for additional developments here!"

Sincerely,
Greg Wood

Leon A. Goldstein

WP8 for Linux to Be Available April 15

Anonymous's picture

Corel has posted the following announcement:

http://support.corel.com/scripts/rightnow.cfg/php.exe/enduser/std_adp.ph...

Leon A. Goldstein

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