# Exploring RSA Encryption

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## Comments

## Article content somewhat useful

I found this article while researching RSA for a homework assignment. I found the article somewhat helpful. As a former programmer, it wasn't, but as a student it was worth a look. The soap opera was as bonus.

## a b mod m

Does anybody knows how to calculate a b mod m with large number (e.g. 256 bits) using a optimized algorithm that perform quick bit shifting operation which perform faster than computing a b mod m?

One time I found that article in the internet but I can't find it. Does anybody knows?.

## how we can find out reminder

how we can find out reminder of negative no. by rsaencryption.

## Is

Is http://www.discryptor.net/ using RSA?

## RsA

HOW CAN WE GENERATE DIFFERENT PRIME NUMBERS ON EACH EXECUTION SO AS TO GET DIFFERENT KEYS EACH TIME FOR SECURITY.. THEN FOR A BUFFER LIKE,

CHAR *BUF="SOME TEXT HERE"........., HOW TO FETCH EACH CHARACTER AND ENCRYPT FROM THIS BUFFER AND PLACE IT THAT POSITION ONLY.. PLZ HELP ME OUT.....

## RSA with non-prime numbers

This explanation is very much helpful in clearly understanding of RSA working .

But there is a question,if we intentionally take 'p' and 'q' as a long composite numbers(of 200 digit) ,then will it violate the basics of RSA algorithm?

or it will reduce the level of security?

with regards

## it will fuck up! read some

it will fuck up! read some number teory, about the subject. you will (sometimes) not be abel to generate keys, if you don't use primes, and even if you can generate the keys, the encryption will randomly blow up, so whole the algoritme, dosent work.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Nice article, I

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

My experience has been there are 2 types of people in contact with computational cryptography: 1) theoretical mathematicians and 2) practicing software developers. Both are required and valuable, but it is overly burdesome to make either become an expert in the nuances of the other's field. In other words, software developers are nearly always unavailable for a dissertation on number theory and mathematicians are nearly always unavailable for complete system architecture. Accordingly, it is appropriate that seperate articles are written for each audience, and this article is a perfect fit for software developers.

## Link to Dan Boneh's Twenty Years of Attacks on the RSA Cryptosys

With all the talk about Dan Boneh's paper, I figured it was a good idea to provide a link to it. Here is the reference via Cryptonomicon.Net.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

I really like this article. It provided a basic overview to encryption that I was looking for. Obviously this is not the ultimate resource for becoming a guru in cryptology. It is a wonderful place to start.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Thank you for positive feedback

confirming validity of the original

intention.

CAUTION CAUTION CAUTION

To further aggravate reader risk with

more disgusting clarity, this irresponsible

author has now published yet another

dangerous dissertation dressed up as

a basic description of "unbreakable" ;-)

encryption, in the April 2003 issue

of "Nuts&Volts" magazine.

Jdennon@seasurf.com

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

I agree that this is a dangerous article. Now some people will think they know enough about RSA to use it in their programs. They DON'T.

And what about this: "Of course, any numbers can be used for practice. Primes, especially large primes, make it more difficult for an eavesdropper to decrypt your message."

This is nonsense. In general only primes will work, and all proofs about the RSA cryptosystem are based on the assumption that p and q are prime numbers. I would like to see a proof showing that the RSA cryptosystem works even if p and q are not primes :-)

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

You are an idiot. Don't trash other people's work if you know nothing about your subject. I can show you at least one proof of the RSA algorithm using non-primes so shut the ***** up.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Show me, don't just talk.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Show you what? Are you saying students

should not be encouraged to experiment?

The article shows students how to experiment.

Are you saying this is a bad idea?

What are you saying? Show you what?

Jack Dennon

jdennon@seasurf.com

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Some earlier rather bazaar commentary--contributed by some who may be

in positions able to influence students--labeled my suggested simple method,

for experimenting with the RSA algorithm, as "dangerous." Perhaps the

present comment will help encourage students to go ahead and

experiment. So, thank you.

jdennon@seasurf.com

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

"Bazaar" also is a little bizarre, but

that's what you get for spelling

by ear.

jdennon@seasurf.com

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Not exactly true.

p and q need NOT be prime, they need to be prime one to each other.

For example, 10 and 25 do not work, but 10 and 49 do ...

It remains true however that the original article made a false statement.

In particular you can not just use any binary sequence and use it as a p

or q ...

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

But the article did not say you can "use" them,

it said you can "practice" with them, as indeed

you can. You can practice with anything you

wish; the whole purpose of which would be

to find out for yourself what works and what

does not.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Yes, that's right. If he had said "any numbers can be

used for practice" and put a period on it, he may have

escaped unscathed; if by "practice" we mean experimenting

to discover what works, but he got a little too chatty and went

on to imply that any numbers work while some just work better

than others. That is indeed false.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Yes. If you read any of the canonical works on RSA, for example the RSA website, you will see that p and q are defined as being prime right at the outset. There are certain composite numbers that will work for this purpose, but there's no way to guarantee that there's no easy backdoor for them. In fact, the large primes used in "real" RSA are pseudo-prime, that is, they *may* be composite but exhibit enough primality to work. In other words, there may be divisors greater than one, but not very many (perhaps one or two).

## Thanks

despite the other postings...

I know nothing about security algorthms, but have been curious about how they work.

I, for one, appreciate the article both for what it has, and for what it doesn't.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Actually, this is a horrible article. Okay, you've explained the underlying math in a reasonably clear manner. However, you've given no guidance whatsoever for how to use RSA securely. If people start with this article and use it to implement, they probably won't. For details on the many, many things that can go wrong, see Dan Boneh's paper, "Twenty years of attacks on the RSA cryptosystem".

Then, there's no discussion of other practical issues, such as the fact that RSA is not something you'd ever want to use for general-purpose encryption. Not only are there massive efficiency issues, but also RSA is highly prone to dictionary-style attacks.

And then, he doesn't mention any of the more easily accessible RSA implementations, such as the one in OpenSSL.

This article reads like it is written by someone who didn't understand the math 2 weeks ago, learned it and wanted to solidify the knowledge by writing about it. That's all well and good, except you're doing a disservice to the rest of the world.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

This article is good. It explains how RSA works, not how to implement it or use it securely for your own stuff. Once you know how it works, it's easier to read up on those.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

It's fine for explaining the math, but is horrible at everything else. You can say that it's not intended to be more, but it's still highly irresponsible.

Why? Because you have to assume that people are going to read this article and go, "wow, now I can go add RSA to my system!" without doing a lick of additional research. Such people aren't going to go learn about the importance of the padding scheme, etc.

The math is not the thing that the average developer needs to know about RSA. It's only the "cool" thing.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Highly irresponsible?

So by your reasoning if there were to be an article published on "basic" kernel hacking that would also be irresponsible because now someone is going to go "wow, now I can go hack my kernel!" without doing a lick of additional research.

I think just plain silly.

If you are truly worried about people not having enough knowledge why not share some resources instead of just bitching about it?

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

No, this is not a "basic" topic. It's an advanced security topic dressed up like a basic topic. If you just follow the article, it will likely be a security disaster, and yet there are no such warnings. That's completely different from basic kernel hacking.

I *did* share resources, recommending the Dan Boneh paper.

In general, people who don't know anything about cryptography should be using high-level protocols instead of relying on articles like this, which will only lead to trouble.

If only people knew that.

## Re: Exploring RSA Encryption

Alright now buddy. Why don't you just pop a valium or two and find a different line of work? If you keep on ranting and raving like this it won't be long before you have a nervous breakdown.

## on the advisability of getting rid of p and q

Hey, this is a great article about RSA. It's accurate and accessable by the non-specialist. There is, however, one little nit-pic I'd offer. For at least a decade now, most commercial implementations of the RSA algorithm use a CRT (Chinese Remainder Theorem) based algorithm to decrypt RSA encrypted messages. This technique allows one to decrypt a message by using two modular exponentiations with numbers that are half the size of the original key. In order to use this optimization, however, one must keep p and q (not only n) as part of the private key.

There's a good explaination of the technique at: http://people.atips.ca/~walus/Mont/crtexp.html.

## Re: on the advisability of getting rid of p and q

Just hold onto the input file you create for the

key generator, then use it as input to the CRT.

BTW, in her 1939 book "Cryptanalysis," Helen F. Gaines

drew a distinction between the terms "decrypt"

and "decipher." Alice "deciphers" Bob's message;

Eve attempts to "decrypt" it.

Such usage nowadays is "historical," for according to

Bruce Schneier's 1994 book "Applied Cryptography,"

in the current lexicon, decipher and decrypt appear

to have become synonyms.