Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
February 1st, 2003 by Doc Searls in
Look up "Desktop Linux Summit" on Google and the first thing that comes up is desktoplinux.com/summit. Click there and you get redirected to a notice written by Rick Lehrbaum of DesktopLinux.com, dated January 16, explaining why DesktopLinux.com won't be participating in the Summit.
...last week, Lindows.com suddenly and unilaterally directed DesktopLinux.com to substitute a new agenda for the old one--one that had not been discussed or reviewed with the Advisory Board. The agenda was a completely new one, with major changes such as substitution of Lindows.com CEO Michael Robertson for Open Source advocate Bruce Perens in the conference welcome keynote slot.
Based on this blatant disregard for the Advisory Board, which we felt was crucial to the vendor-neutrality of the conference, and the unilateral substitution of a completely new agenda, which is, of course, the heart of the conference, DesktopLinux.com no longer can lend its good name and dynamic community to supporting the event.
According to a January 17 story in CNET, Hewlett-Packard and other sponsors also have dropped out of the conference. So has Bruce Perens. In a note to the advisory board, Bruce wrote:
I'm told that I'm no longer the opening keynote speaker for the Desktop Linux Summit, and that the entire Summit program has suddenly been changed, unilaterally, by the major sponsor.
I'm also told that someone said that these changes have been discussed with me, and that I was in agreement with them. No, all of this was news to me today.
Obviously, I have a call into Michael Robertson, and [I] will attempt to get his side of the story and to get the summit back on the right track.
[Disclaimer: Linux Journal is a sponsor of the show and is on the advisory board. I have not spoken to Linux Journal's board member, but I do have access to the advisory board discussion forum, where the above was posted.]
On January 30, Linux Today ran a story containing a press release by Lycoris, explaining the company's withdrawal from the show, plus an open letter from Jeff Gerhardt of The Linux Show asking Lindows CEO Michael Robertson to "make a gesture at making peace with the rest of the Linux community". Jeff went on to suggest changing the name of the conference to make its Lindows nature clearer.
This past Thursday night I contacted Bruce and Lindows president Kevin Carmony to talk about the fracas. First, Bruce:
The problem wasn't the changes they had made. The problem was that they acted unilaterally.
We--a number of companies that were originally going to be on the Summit (the advisory board members, essentially)--want Lindows on the team. We want Lindows to be a partner. And we are working on a forum for the desktop manufacturers [that allows] more collaboration for the desktop manufacturers. Obviously we want Lindows to participate with that. And my expectation is that the next event will not be Lindows-centric, and I'll have something to do with planning it.
But, y'know, Lindows paid for this whole thing, apparently. So they have a reason to want the event the way they want it. I just wish they didn't call it the Linux Desktop Summit, because it's not really one any more. Actually, they never wanted it to be what we consider a summit in the Linux world. When we say "summit" we bring developers together, we bring influential people, and we talk about the course of something--like with the Kernel Summit or the Printing Summit, which I keynoted last year.
This is really more of a publicity event and more intended at the users' level, I think, than otherwise...
So, as Jeff said in his open letter, maybe it would be better to have Lindows in the title, even though there are still some other vendors coming.
But I really don't want to dwell on the past. And I'm considering this as having passed already. I would rather make sure that the next event is there for everyone and that Lindows should not have to pay for the whole thing.
He went on to say, "We're not being adversarial here", and he agreed that the whole thing should serve as a "learning experience".
Kevin Carmony began by addressing the GPL issue. Last year, Bruce and others accused Lindows of not complying with the GPL, which Kevin said was "blatantly false". He added, "We always have and continue to provide all source code. We gave back every piece of our $500,000 investment in WINE code."
Then he addressed the keynote and vendor-neutrality issues:
My opinion was simply that Michael would be a better speaker to open this show. All the Linux companies combined had contributed only $2,000 in sponsorship fees; we will spend around $100,000. Only four of the Linux companies agreed to any sponsorships, and they all picked the lowest one, $500. They then lose their minds because I wanted Michael to open, just like he did every MP3 Summit, which was paid for by MP3.com.... See why we just stay out of this silliness? See why we never start these utter waste of time debates?"
I brought up the issue of mutual respect. He replied:
We have plenty of respectful communication on our web site
...but many in "the community" simply refuse to a) take the time to hear what we have to say or b) refuse to believe us no matter what we say. That's fine, but we will continue to spend our time being productive. Debating with those who disagree with us produces zero new products and zero good for Linux.
During the time this silly debate was being waged, with zero participation from us, Lindows.com has:
Released our Educational Licensing (www.lindows.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=33)
Put together the first Linux summit dedicated to the desktop, which is now sold out (www.lindows.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=34)
Continued our fight against Microsoft (the only company worth fighting with in our book) to keep them from getting special trademark protection that no other company enjoys (trademarking a generic term www.lindows.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=36)
Released the MP3.com Edition of LindowsOS. (www.lindows.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=35)
Released the Lindows Media Computer (www.lindows.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=37)
Again...all this in the time "the community" was debating over who should open up the conference!
We stay the course. There are plenty of developers who understand, appreciate and are working with us. We tell our story (on our web site) openly and honestly for all who choose to listen. We don't expect all to agree, but we'll not sling mud back at those who don't. ...when Bruce or someone else publicly slings mud at us, and we choose not to engage anyone at that level, [it] does not mean we are not communicating. We are, just some choose not to listen or believe.
The bottom line is the summit sold out...
The summit has shaped up to be a phenomenal show. Here are all the different areas for which there are booths showing off just how much Linux has to offer desktop users:
Fonts
Books
Laptops
Web Filtering
Virus Protection
Internet Service Providers
Printing
Games
Graphics Editing
Training
Software Applications
Media PCs
Operating Systems
Magazines
Desktop PCs
Music
Migration
QA
Tablet PCs
Office Suites
Education
Installing Applications
USB Devices
Networking
Hot Swapable Drives
Cool Linux Devices
It's gonna be great!
Here's my own take on it.
Linux is a huge success in the server and embedded markets. But on the desktop it's still stuck at the early adopter stage of the familiar adoption curve, on the near side of the chasm between early adopter and early majority.
Big as they are, HP and IBM are still on the early adopter side; so is Dell and even Red Hat. None of those companies has tried seriously to make desktop Linux a mainstream reality. In fact, they've been extremely cautious about it, even while they've worked hard to make it happen at the technical level.
And for good reasons. First, they're busy enough with their existing Linux businesses, which are growing rapidly. Second, the mainstream is going to want the kind of stuff that's on the list above.
Make a chart with each of those categories down the left side and the desktop OSes--Linux, OS X and Windows--across the top. Then rate what's available in each category on each OS. Linux still comes up short. Yes, prime time is coming--but it's not here yet.
Like it or not, Lindows is the one company with any kind of heft that's pushing to fill those gaps for millions of end users, nearly all of which currently use Windows. The way Lindows appeals to those millions will have little to do with the way they relate to the Linux community of early adopters.
Unless, of course, that early majority looks up Lindows on Google and finds a pile of damning links provided by the early adopter community.
Failing to communicate with and not just to--a critical difference--a founding constituency, especially one as quick to find fault as this one, is a sure way to generate bad PR. And that's what happened in this case. Markets are conversations, somebody said. Lindows needs to be talking across both sides of the chasm. And yes, arguing too. Turning away from the fray doesn't help. Getting involved early does help. Picking up the phone helps. Think of the phone as a ground strap for bad energy.
That's why Lindows needs to be on the team Bruce is talking about. It's not a formal thing, just a conversational thing. We may have different interests and businesses, but we're on the same side of this thing.
Maybe now it'll start to happen. If it does, I have a feeling the chasm will get a lot smaller, a lot faster.
The show is in San Diego on February 21-22. I'll be there. We'll see how it goes.
Doc Searls is senior editor of Linux Journal.
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Marketing:observe, study, respond
On February 14th, 2003 Anonymous says:
If the Linux community were to observe, study and respond to the marketing strategy, there might be less frustration. The community seems to be experts via Halloween Documents, where Microsoft is concerned.
Okay, what to observe:
1. Branding - when someone says indows, people
tend to think of MS Windows and associate good and bad
things in their heads. In this case, the owners are counting
on good associations for features and bad associations
for pricing.
2. People are looking for "good enough" and "free". Does
this ring any bells for anyone? The product pitch certainly
sounds good enough for everyday tasks and it's nearly
free - heck, what's less than $100 for a year? Is the
product good enough? Probably for some customers.
Is the product free? Sure, if you get the Xandros
distribution off the net.
3. Ah, my favorite, the Halo effect. If one business was
successful and changed the world, this next one must
be as well - right? People will associate the positives
of "taking on the music industry" with a fight for the
people - which is a good thing. This extends to
a "fight for freedom" from: expensive OS's, expensive
software, etc... For example, the Lindows PC is for sale
at Walmart or Walmart.com? There's a big difference
between the two - do you think that inventory at both
places is the same? Why? Because you do and the
marketer counts on that.
4. Feelings and beliefs and setting what to think about
a product - why bash on others who are using the same
basis for the product? That would certainly degrade your
base - the feeling to be presented is always positive,
always spun towards the positive associations.
5. The niche - desktop linux for normal users. Okay,
who else is in this niche and *advertises* it to the
common man? "Get a Xandros PC at Wallmart!" No
one would bite. Now, getting a PC with Lindows
installed at a lower cost than Windows, what a
deal!
6. Opinion leaders - well, sorry guys and gals, the
current proponents of opinion about linux on the
desktop aren't known well outside their community.
I haven't seen this company pick an opinion leader
just yet... hmm... maybe they missed something.
Aha! They didn't miss this at all. They *like* to talk
to reporters - ever noticed that reporters tend to
report anything that you give them? MS spends
a lot of time and money sending product briefs to
the guys at PC Week.
7. Make news. Press releases are a great way to
drive interest - re-skin your product, call it something
new, and announce it. Get some attention - "Hey,
look at all the new products I have!" Having a
stable of cars makes people think your successful.
8. Exclusives. These are pretty cool mental models
to think about - are you part of the "inside" team?
You are probably missing out because you're not
in the right club. Let's see, insider, builder, educator,
guest, member... hmm.. a club for almost everyone, this
is a good thing.
9. The channel. Getting things into the channel by
pushing them (purchasing placement) is a great
method of gaining legitimacy whether you sell
anything or not. Heck, Walmart.com sold out of
the $199.00 with Lindows installed... What was
the driver for the purchases? Lindows or cheap
hardware? Who knows, but what do people
assume? It's what people perceive that matters.
10. Positioning. The underdog, good for you, free, it's
all about consumers, its easy to install - hey, is it
easy to upgrade? The first Windows class, non-windows
desktop - cool!
The marketing I've read is brilliantly constructed. Read it, understand it, compare it, constrast it, be aware that you are a consumer of marketing materials. Think about what's being said... think think think... it's not about this Linux or that Linux... is it really about the consumer? Isn't it? Why rename kword?
Marketing can expose a lot of positives about a product and, well, that's what I see this marketing doing. Exposing lots of positives without much feedback about the marketing.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 5th, 2003 Anonymous says:
The "Cult of Linux" continues to fragment into groups of 'holier than thou' or more appropriatly 'more open than thou' zelots. Why don't you just make ONE GOOD distro?
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Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 5th, 2003 Anonymous says:
Lindows has its detractors, but its ~public~ relations position is fine: has *ANYONE* sold more actual Linux desktop computers to the public than Lindows? Yes, it's a simple and easy version -- they've brought Linux to the people rather than demanding that every potential user pass what has in the past amounted to a competency test. But even that has been part of Linux since Volkerding put together the first distro for "slackers" who didn't want (or know how) to build their own.
The Linux community is composed of a huge number of very gifted people; all that stands between it and the "world domination" we've joked about for years is a strong leader. Lindows can provide that leadership.
Get aboard or wave goodbye -- the ship sets sail either way.
Gary Fisher
Is that any way to talk about your developers?
On February 4th, 2003 Anonymous says:
So long as official LindowsOS representatives refer to the majority of their developers as "the community" (their quote marks, not mine!), I'll keep thinking of them as nothing more than a second rate linux "distribution" and the main "competition" for windows. Use the quotey-finger-sign to your heart's content.
Muppets.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 3rd, 2003 Anonymous says:
My understanding is that Lindows was going to impose a 5 minute time limit on any speakers that were not from Lindows. This is the main reason my employer pulled out of the summit.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 21st, 2003 Anonymous says:
I'm not sure where you got your information, but everyone got much more than 5 minutes. In fact Doc Searls, the author of this article, gave a fine talk that opened up the second day. The majority of the speakers were NON Lindows.com emloyees. And each of their talks were about an hour. (Some were two) It turned out to be a very nice and informative show. It's unfortunate that so many bad feelings and misunderstandings left people out in the cold. It seems that some people need to realize that linux need not compete with itself. None of the linux companies have enough market-share to make it worth the time and effort to take. There is only one desktop OS company with enough market-share to spare. And to compete with such a company takes focus. Distractions and debates about every little thing end up taking that focus away. The aforementioned has enough people that they can match, almost down to the person, the number of people that are working on linux for the desktop. I'm sure those people are extremely focused. I am also sure that they loved to see the infighting that seems to be so prevelant right now. It makes their jobs easier. Looking at some of the companies that have left the summit, I notice a lack of focus or direction. If the bend to every whim and fancy that a harshly critical community deals out, then they will get nowhere. Granted they should not ignore the community, however, how many in the community understand what desktop linux is? Here's a hint. It doesn't involve the commandline. Nor does it involve editing config files, or remembering that xmms is an MP3 player, or recompiling a kernel. It's about allowing people that take the multi-media keyboard buttons for granted. It's about allowing a non-technical person to set up a computer so they can use it. It's not about putting a pretty face on the XF86Config file. It's not about educating lusers about the advantages of having a console based app that can have it's output piped into another console based app. And it's certianly not about the benefits of vi over emacs. It takes focus to remember that. Education is important, but if grandma doesn't recognize it, grandma doesn't use it. No matter how cool it is. Desktop linux is not for you it's for grandma. If you want a million different ways to tune your card, great. Go grab any version of Linux that currently exists. Nothing that Lindows does can take that away from you.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
I've watched the growing "noise" about Lindows with much disgust. On one hand we have several distributions claiming to be "desktop" friendly and on the other hand we have a few that are actually trying to walk the talk. I have not used Lindows, I now use Xandros, the distribution that Lindows is built upon. As I remember back I cannot think of one negative comment from Robertson concerning the other distributions but I can sure remember all the blowhard bullcrap that has come from some of the users of other distributions. Its gotten way out of hand to the point where these people are damaging the chances of Linux to make its move to the desktop of the average computer user.
So far Lindows has put its money where its mouth is. The rest are just putting hot air where their mouths are.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 4th, 2003 Anonymous says:
Very well said. I do not use Lindows but Mandrake. BillG must be sitting back and laughing at this spectacle. Some of the Linux oldtimers may yet destroy the desktop usage and through all the fledgling companies out of business. We stand on the threshold of a desktop revolution and there's plenty room for different distros to be different without badmouthing and cutting down the next guy. In fact I may purchase Lindows for my wife and get off of WinDoz..
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 3rd, 2003 Anonymous says:
I know from personal experience that Robertson is indeed a jerk. He doesn't give a care about freedom, the community, or any of the reasons Linux is where it is today. He wants his money and power. And look at how condescending Carmony is. He has no respect for "the community" nor the people who codes Linux. He considers us all a bunch of marketing-inept geeks. Linux is better off without marketing. It sells itself. Someday soon it will be selling itself to the desktop crowd without the help of Lindows.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
The whole story is a statement of why Linux on the desktop is still a bit far away. On one side, a lot of sensibilities and easily offended persons, and on the other, loads of money taking no advice from anyone. Greed is here for everyone to watch. Lindows is after money, but they pay for it. The others want influence (and associated pay-off. Why not ?)
Linux desktop needs the noise that lindows wants to make and the unity that the kernel guys have managed to keep. Well, it's going to be harder on the desktop side since the splits are everywhere and nobody has even considered using a common ground to build on.
Let Lindows make the noise. The only ones trying to silence them is Microsoft. That should be a sure sign. What the community needs is to make the open source common ground happen or sure enough, Lindows or some other fat wallet will buy it.
I also think the common ground is a matter for developpers to agree on and work towards. Talkers can talk. But the thing to watch is whether the desktop distros and projects move together or tear the currently small prospect of success apart.
Then it will always be time to comment.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
I thought the GPL had some lines in it about free copying and redistribution of fully GPL'ed software, including the source code.
So why does Lindows tell their users not to redistribute the Lindows operating system? If they're so community-friendly and open, where can I download it to give it a shot?
Oh wait, they don't want that. They only want to skirt around the edges of the GPL and not fully accept it. That's fine with me, but if you're gonna talk the talk, walk the walk folks. Don't try to trick people into thinking you're something you're not. I appreciate a strong NO more than I do a wishy-washy 'maybe'.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 3rd, 2003 Anonymous says:
Does Lindows.com have an IP license for LindowOS? Can somebody be sued for pirating LindowOS as some or most of its code is based on GPL? Let's say Lindows is 95 percent GPL'd code and 5 percent proprietary and I am found guilty for pirating if I distributed it, shall the verdict be on the 95 percent or on the 5 per cent.
Any lawyers around? I find this whole thing of - don't distribute Lindows - rather ridiculous. Why should Lindows expect others to be the preservers of ethics when that word does not exist in their dictionary?
Copyright on a collection of works
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
It's pretty simple. Since a distribution does not necessarily contain only GPL software, Lindows can certainly say not to redistribute the distribution as a whole, even though they permit (as they must) redistribution of the GPL portions of their distribution.
In fact, even if everything in the distrbution was GPL, they could still restrict the redistribution of the whole work. It's a fine point of copyright law that a collection of works (such as, say, an anthology) is covered as a whole under a copyright, even though the components are individually covered under their own copyrights as well.
So, assuming a GPL only distribution restricted copies from being made, the components could legally be obtained independently or extracted and then reassembled into an identical distribution, thus making the restriction an excersize in futility.
A sufficently avaricious copyright attorney could probably be induced to argue that the distribution's copyright was still being violated, but the distributor would basically just be throwing their money away.
A GPLed OS means the whole OS and nothing but the wholeOS
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
a GPLed OS measn the whoel OS distrubtion not aa part the full freaking thing!
Contrast this with redhat OS which is GPLed adn which I can distrbute fully accrodign to the GPL licesne..
giving code back to the commmunity is only one part of the GPL..LIndows needs to fololwo the full GPL or stop releasing GPL code with its own prohibitations..
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
Here we go again. GPL does not mean "free." You need to learn about GPL. I'd suggest you start here: http://www.fsf.org/licenses/licenses.html
Your ignorance only adds to the bad reputation that Linux has. I'm glad to see Lindows taking Linux to the masses.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 11th, 2003 TaranRampersad (not verified) says:
But the GPL does allow for someone to distribute the application as they desire.
Anything less smells like... proprietary. (So, that's what that smell was!)
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
Speak for yourself, the GPL allows for redistribution by telling end users that they cannot redistibute lindoze, lindoze is violating the GPL, period.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
Lindows says one thing and does another. I have no interest in anything they say anymore because it's nothing but a bunch of lies and deception.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 masinick (not verified) says:
I personally believe that Lindows.com has every right to make a summit that they've paid for almost in its entirety anything that they want it to be. I also think that, had they chosen to do so, they could have held a position of prominence at a conference they largely sponsored while still inviting others to invest in whatever time and energy they could muster.
I'm glad to see that Lindows.com has the energy and resources to do something with desktop Linux systems and I truly hope they succeed in every way. My only regret in all of this is that spoken and unspoken expectations and plans were a bit more up front and in the open. Even though things haven't worked out perfectly, in terms of making this event the kind of broad industry wide summit that some had hoped for, I still hope that some really good things come out of it. Perhaps an unplanned positive thing that could come out of it is better interaction between people who compete, but still have many common goals in mind.
After all, quite a bit of the technology out there is shared technology.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
Looking at the line up of exhibitors and that it's sold out, I'd say they already are past any bad PR. I live in LA and have registered to attend. It was this very 'controversy' that brought the summit to my attention. Maybe the best PR IS a little controversy.
NOT SOLD OUT: 450 spots filled out of 2500
On February 4th, 2003 Anonymous says:
They lied as they do so very often. Do you remember their AOL-Netscape partnership, maybe their announcement recently of the first Linux desktop that can run mp3 files, etc., etc. And for those of you who don't want to try their product, you aren't missing out. It is only a shadow of the Xandros OS that they are trying to copy. Remember Lindows big talk of Windows compatibility? They did a bad job of copying that from Xandros. Lindows is trying to communicate to the mainstream market and doing a good job of it. Too bad the message is drowned out by their PR flatulation and web of blatant lies a broken promises...
Not at all sold outRe: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San D
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
according to my sources -- there are less than 200 people signed up. ask Lindows.
Stay the course Lindows
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
I think Lindows is spot on in choosing to stay out of these debates. Linux has been held back for a long time with fighting between themselves.
I agree with Doc that Lindows is the one company that is trying to get Linux to cross the chasm to the broader markets. I disagree, however, that they should invest time in convincing the early adopters of their mission. I'm an early adopter and their good works, products, and marketing are all the convincing I need. Engaging in these debates will just distract them and take time away from producing the products that the majority markets need. My mom doesn't care or know anything about all off this, but she will understand buying a $200 computer at WalMart.
I'm a developer and I fully support Lindows. I want my products to also cross that chasm and I'm looking forward to attaching my work to ANY ship that can cross that chasm. There will be plenty of developers who will support Lindows simply because they are taking Linux to the masses. I don't need Lindows stroking my ego, I just need the thousands of customers who perhaps they will be successful in bringing to Linux.
Mark
Re: Stay the course Lindows
On February 11th, 2003 Anonymous says:
I could not agree with you more. I feel that those companies and organizations that pulled out of the Desktop Linux Summit made a big mistake. Desktop Linux, The name says it all. It is about bringing Linux to the average Home User. It is about time that someone started thinking about the little guy and making linux easier for the average person to use instead of having to be a rocket scientist, programmer or developer to use it. I think Lindows CEO has done alot tobring Linux to the masses and average home user. I think that Linux for the desktop has finally come and Lindows is right at the forfront of the movement. I have seen more interest in Linux these past few months by the home user than anytime in the past 10 years. There are Millions that are fed up with Gates and his monopoly in the software market as well as his greedy ways. Linux for the desktop might not be primetime yet but it is getting there, No thanks to the infighting that has developed in the linux community between rival companies. My hats off to Lindows, Libranet, ELX, Mandrake and any other company that is making it easier for the average person to use. I did not mention Lycoris because they pulled out of the Desktop Linux Summit instead of staying like they should have. They shot their self in the foot as far as I am concerned. I will never ever recommend them or their software to anyone again.
M H Bell
PC Consultant
Re: Stay the course Lindows
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
Lindows sucks - end of story
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 justwright (not verified) says:
Thanks Doc!
I hope the lines of Communication stay open.
Live & Learn
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
Actually, the Desktop Linux Summit is Thursday 20th and Friday 21st Feb.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
(You'll probably reject my comments again, but here I go.)
Robertson/Lindows = some kind of strange genetic distortion. Robertson's well-mouthed attitudes generate just giggles in me.
If we're going to have some success with GNU/Linux on the desktop, we shouldn't really be seen with nutbars like the Lindows people.
As long as Robertson/Lindows controls the "show", why go? No Linux there - just a Bill Gates wannabe with a Windoz wannabe distro.
Waste of time, so this is.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 3rd, 2003 Anonymous says:
I do not know what Michael Robertsons problem is but I bet its hard to spell
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
people what choice and software that works. at the moment the only choice is windows or linux for the very few who have the skills to configer it. there for there is no choice for the vast majority it is windows or hours beeing no productive playing with linux. lindows may turn out to be great give it a chance, let people make up there own minds. personalities should not come into it
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 1st, 2003 Anonymous says:
Because of Robertson's attitudes (projected by his own words/actions), I would not even consider checking out Lindows. Robertson seems to suffer from a psychiatric disorder of some kind, perhaps undocumented in the anals of human quirkiness.
Regardless the quality of Linows, I'll never know what it's good for as long. Too bad Robertson continuously shoots himself in the foot while it's inserted in his mouth. That's awfully close to the brain. Do you suppose he's not a very good shot?
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
Thank you for providing my nitpick of the day.
It's 'annals' not 'anals'.
Re: Crossing the Desktop Linux Chasm in San Diego
On February 2nd, 2003 Anonymous says:
Well, we _assume_.
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