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Issue 196

From Issue #196
August 2010

Oct 01, 2010  By Doc Searls
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We need an alternative. Google Wave is one possibility.
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well....

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sat, 11/06/2010 - 01:27.

The problem is we still are 'stuck' with HTML etc... to provide a cross-platform link from user to user.

Facebook is a 2.0 portal that is not aligned with a provider or ISP (or MS) and in the end it is just a building with servers and bandwith.

How can you deliver a web page that does not intrude or impair the message?

E-mail was/is a 'killer-app' because there is a shared standard with server and client across platforms with minimal user intrusion.

FAIL......How about.......

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Submitted by Xelement! (not verified) on Wed, 10/27/2010 - 12:18.

The title be called "Waving Goodbye to Wave". You should honestly do some research prior to embarking on an article like this.

Can't we do anything about the spam?

mikesd's picture
Submitted by mikesd on Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:45.

Surely there's ways of filtering out spam. If email can do it, surely forums can.

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That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.

what about retroshare

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 11:27.

go retroshare.

Not totally dead (yet :)

Zoran's picture
Submitted by Zoran (not verified) on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 08:30.

Google's plan for Wave: "Wave in a Box"

http://google-au.blogspot.com/2010/09/wave-open-source-next-steps-wave-i...

I'm surprised no has

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 08:01.

I'm surprised no has mentioned gnu social
http://www.gnu.org/software/social/
as a possible alternative:

GNU social, true to the Unix-philosophy of small programs to do a small job, will be a decentralized social network that you can install on your own server

Sounds just like what the article is describing.

What about diaspora?

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Submitted by Willem Voogd (not verified) on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 04:23.

To me diaspora sounds like something going into the right direction. What we need are standard protocols for social networking on the net. Webservices, or something similar, then tie the different 'human repositories' together, where every human can control all information itself. whether that information is histed at myspace, facebook, diaspora, hyves, or any other local alternative, like my home server... We chioose our social 'dashboard' provider independently. That social dashboard could be enriched, or polluted, take your pick, by commercial information targeted at the user of the dashboard. So that's where to money is. Of course I could also implement and host my own dashboard at home. Or just have a plain old desktop application as dashboard.

So the ultimate answer to facebook is open social networking standards, to be implemented by anyone. use an uddi like discovery method and we're in business. The thing is, who will sponsor such an effort?

I will join, as I won't join facebook,

cheers,

Willem

This is a much more dangerous

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Submitted by Imaginary Man (not verified) on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 22:53.

This is a much more dangerous move then you are giving credit for. Especially when you consider Comcast and Verizon play penning such a creation and charging to reach areas of the web outside the monster.

Its not a dooms day scenario but it is the first logical steps to locking down the net. You would have to shape off a chunk of the internet to pacify normal people. They of course they would only want the people who spend money.(Thank God the people who keep it running are not the ones who spend money)

On a similar note please help wikipedia keep its lights on being able to access the worlds knowledge is a neat thing.But thats the whole crazy problem how can we make people who cant follow a crazy ranting post like this understand how important it is that the current impression of the internet needs to be drastically reformed.

PS. The human race needs to evolve a fair bit more before we can use Google wave. It makes my head explode. Its like creating YouTube before the words broad band ment anything.

foss social network

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Submitted by crlsgms on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 07:14.

we use noosfero here - http://noosfero.org/

a nice mashup always updating framework, wich we created our own social networks with no strings (mostly) attached.

Waving goodbye to facebook - Wave as a replacement?

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 10/19/2010 - 01:08.

I agree with your comments on Facebook, but I'm having difficulty seeing Google Wave as a replacement. Wave looks like it has a lot of potential for collaboration on a project, but I don't see being able to use it for social networking. My social networking doesn't consist of project collaboration.

I recently started using Dropbox, just the free account to try it out. Seemed pretty good (for limited purposes), so I clicked on their link to share it on Facebook. Facebook informed me that Dropbox wanted permission to: Access my basic information; Post to my Wall; Access my data any time; Access my photos & videos.

I had no problem with the first 2. I thought the rest was a little much.

I don't know how much Dropbox has to do with exactly what is being asked for. It was my impression that that is just the way Facebook sets things up.

Other Social Network systems

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Submitted by crosstopher on Sun, 10/17/2010 - 22:36.

I have recently been looking into this for a project that I have started and found that elgg. and Mahara look incredibly promising. More so than the current state of Wave.

Crosstopher

Ummmm

mikesd's picture
Submitted by mikesd on Sat, 10/16/2010 - 19:55.

Hasn't Google Wave died?

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That which does not kill me only postpones the inevitable.

Wave is DEAD - pay attention Doc!

Anonymous's picture
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 10/21/2010 - 05:05.

@Doc - you've been hiding under a rock, my friend. Google pulled the plug on wave http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/update-on-google-wave.html

Wave was a good try, but it wasn't even close to being anything like facebook is today. Yes facebook has had privacy issues, but so will all these other social sites that need money to run and have a 20 year old trying to figure out the business plan.

Diaspora is promising, but way behind. We need an innovative facebook/diaspora/twitter/identica/foursquare/gowalla/posterous mashup - not a copycat.

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